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1921 P Morgan Silver Dollar Proof Like VAM Chapman Proof

 
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 Posted 01/05/2020  10:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Me103189 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have this beautiful 1921 P Morgan is there any chance it could be a chapman? Or does anyone know the VAM number? I understand the rarity of the Chapman proof but the detail and strike quality of this coin are well above your regular 1921 and actually better than most 1880 S mint morgans I never have much luck with identifying vams

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 Posted 01/05/2020  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I don't think it's a Chapman but it is a very nice Deep Mirror Proof Like Morgan dollar!

I'm sure a Morgan expert will chime in shortly.

Very nice coin!
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 Posted 01/06/2020  12:25 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a zebre or Chapman proof but a DMPL, which is very scare on 1921 morgans.
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 Posted 01/06/2020  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/06/2020  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a Chapman or Zerbe for that matter. Both are D1 17 berries reverse, your coin is a D2 16 berries reverse. Unfortunately, if you want to figure out what VAM this one matches you'll probably need to go through the scribbles guide.

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 Posted 01/06/2020  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Me103189 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for your help DAVE700X I have read elsewhere that the Chapman proof is usually a 16 berries reverse and PCGS has CERTIFIED both. the zerbe that will usually have 17. other then the barries are there any other significant die markers?
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 Posted 01/06/2020  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the VAMworld page with die markers for the 17 berry reverse.http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...1921-P_PROOF

edit to add - after searching further here is a link to the VAM-3BV die pairing that may be a 16 berry Chapman proof. Many if not all of the images are for business strike examples from the same die pair that matches the Jack Lee example. Read the descriptions carefully..http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...21-P_VAM-3BV
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 Posted 01/06/2020  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't speak to the proof part of this, but that is one gorgeous DMPL Morgan! Worth slabbing in any case IMO.
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 Posted 01/07/2020  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First,


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I have this beautiful 1921 P Morgan


Yowza! That may be one of the biggest understatements I've ever seen on CCF. That is one spectacular 1921!
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 Posted 01/07/2020  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Me103189 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you dave I just need to send it in I need carefully and looked closely I dont see. Its probably me ill ask PCGS to attribute the VAM there is an old coin wholesaler by my parents and I always stop in there. sometimes he has good stuff and he always gives me a good deal this coin was in a very old cardboard flip that said $22 the writing and flip were from an earlier decade and clearly not his, so I jokingly said "can I have this for $22" he charged me CA sales tax and I'm in to it for almost $24. Definitely my best coin shop find
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 Posted 01/07/2020  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident that its a counterfeit. At first, I thought it looked too good to be true, and the details don't match up with other 1921 Morgans I've seen. For example, the O in "Dollar" is too flat and the details on the coin overall seem too mushy and crude to be from the US mint. Here's a pic of a PL Morgan I found on PCGS for comparison...



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 Posted 01/09/2020  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Me103189 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really don't think its a fake maybe its just the way the pic looks heres a few more there is nothing mushy / crude about the coin in hand the quality of the detail in it is what lead me to believe it could be a proof ill post PCGS true view pics after I send it in











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