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1960 P Lrg LMC I Honestly Have No Answer To What I Am Seeing With The Date.

 
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 Posted 01/20/2020  6:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this 1960 P Large date LMC and my very first thought was MD, but it's not. Then I thought DDD, but what I am seeing is going towards the center and does not flow towards the rim. I can't rule anything out as I have never seen this on any device/devices before. When I first louped it I could see the outline of each number of the date but when I turned the coin I could see two outlines and on the 9 I could see three lines. Everything I am seeing tells me this is a EDS and MDS at worst. Any help on telling me what I am seeing for the first time is greatly appreciated.








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 Posted 01/20/2020  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Early stages of Die Deterioration Doubling? I don't know. Just a guess.
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Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
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 Posted 01/20/2020  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
early stage Die Deterioration..
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That was my second thought but I've never seen DDD move towards the center. It always moves towards the rim. I just scratched my head and thought I would post it. It may very well be some type of weird DDD.
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 Posted 01/20/2020  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting coin and while I don't have anything to add, I'm interested to see what @coop says about this one.
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 Posted 01/20/2020  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have looked at hundreds of thousands of cents and I've yet to see one like this one Spence.
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 Posted 01/20/2020  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add levelsofmadnes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am in the I don't know camp...

But my guess would be some type of tripling but not DDD.
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My guess is that, if not DDD, it is some sort of MD.
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It is definitely not MD. I don't know, maybe Mike Diamond will see this post, between him and coop or tanman, I think they'll be able to give me a definitive answer.
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 Posted 01/21/2020  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the attention is drawn toward the incuse areas. The rest of that area doesn't appear raised. I would hang onto it for now. Below the '6' looks like a lamination or a struck through debris. If it were die wear it would be on the sides facing the rim direction.
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 Posted 01/22/2020  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Machine Doubling. It is unusual, but MD can sometimes cause tripling. Die Deterioration does occur toward the rim not toward the center.
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