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Interesting Medieval Coin To Identify. Birds + Sword, Griffon(?)

 
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 Posted 02/20/2020  03:36 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vstefanyuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Would appreciate for help to identify coin.

Do not know yet what is actual size/weight.




Thanks!
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02/20/2020 05:19 am
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 Posted 02/20/2020  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very unusual.

I do not recognize it, but can find each of these design elements (facing birds, griffin or winged lion) on Hungarian obols and denars of 13th century, but not combined on the same coin.
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 Posted 02/20/2020  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@vstefanyuk, while this might be Hungarian, I am more convinced of it being from Medieval Austria. There is pretty significant chipping around the edges, but it looks like a lion on one side and two birds separated by some sort of staff on the other. This fits pretty well with the description and design elements for a silver Pfennig of Leopold II minted in Vienna. It would be attributed as Szego 36.
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 Posted 02/21/2020  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vstefanyuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Spence Thanks! Will try to find similar over internet.
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 Posted 02/21/2020  03:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vstefanyuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Spence Have doubts. On Leopold II coins I am seeing two-headed bird and griffin staying on back foots, design of this is different, especially birds side (has quite different meaning).
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 Posted 02/21/2020  05:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are correct that it isn't a perfect match. Here is the coin pictured in Szego for comparison:

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 Posted 02/21/2020  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure if this is different from the coin being discussed. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces162035.html

Obverse appears to be a very good match. Reverse is missing the staff or sword between the two animals.
If this is correct, then your coin would have been clipped very much, so we would expect a greatly reduced mass of the coin (clipping 30% of diameter reduces the mass by 50%).
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 Posted 02/23/2020  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vstefanyuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tdziemia seems to be the one. Well coin is not mine, considered buying, but not sure if it worth (around $60 is current price).
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 Posted 02/23/2020  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vstefanyuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Btw, weight is around 0.2g, as you expected due clipping @tdziemia :)
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