Interesting Medieval Coin To Identify. Birds + Sword, Griffon(?)

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vstefanyuk Valued Member Netherlands 100 Posts	Posted 02/20/2020 03:36 am Would appreciate for help to identify coin. Do not know yet what is actual size/weight. Thanks! Edited by vstefanyuk 02/20/2020 05:19 am Report this Post to the Staff

tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7950 Posts	Posted 02/20/2020 06:31 am Very unusual. I do not recognize it, but can find each of these design elements (facing birds, griffin or winged lion) on Hungarian obols and denars of 13th century, but not combined on the same coin. Edited by tdziemia 02/20/2020 07:03 am Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34419 Posts	Posted 02/20/2020 9:02 pm @vstefanyuk, while this might be Hungarian, I am more convinced of it being from Medieval Austria. There is pretty significant chipping around the edges, but it looks like a lion on one side and two birds separated by some sort of staff on the other. This fits pretty well with the description and design elements for a silver Pfennig of Leopold II minted in Vienna. It would be attributed as Szego 36. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
vstefanyuk Valued Member Netherlands 100 Posts	Posted 02/21/2020 02:48 am @Spence Thanks! Will try to find similar over internet. Report this Post to the Staff
vstefanyuk Valued Member Netherlands 100 Posts	Posted 02/21/2020 03:06 am @Spence Have doubts. On Leopold II coins I am seeing two-headed bird and griffin staying on back foots, design of this is different, especially birds side (has quite different meaning). Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34419 Posts	Posted 02/21/2020 05:59 am You are correct that it isn't a perfect match. Here is the coin pictured in Szego for comparison: "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7950 Posts	Posted 02/21/2020 06:37 am Not sure if this is different from the coin being discussed. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces162035.html Obverse appears to be a very good match. Reverse is missing the staff or sword between the two animals. If this is correct, then your coin would have been clipped very much, so we would expect a greatly reduced mass of the coin (clipping 30% of diameter reduces the mass by 50%). Edited by tdziemia 02/21/2020 1:10 pm Report this Post to the Staff
vstefanyuk Valued Member Netherlands 100 Posts	Posted 02/23/2020 09:38 am @tdziemia seems to be the one. Well coin is not mine, considered buying, but not sure if it worth (around $60 is current price). Report this Post to the Staff
vstefanyuk Valued Member Netherlands 100 Posts	Posted 02/23/2020 09:40 am Btw, weight is around 0.2g, as you expected due clipping @tdziemia :) Report this Post to the Staff
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