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Attributing My Dad's 1972 DDOs: DDO-007

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 Posted 03/30/2020  11:30 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Another variety of 1972 Lincoln Cent DDO, which I've identified as DDO-007, found while going through my dad's old coin collection.







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 Posted 03/30/2020  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice DDO, photos have a lot of glare though.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobertRansom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you asking a question? Just guessing, but due to the poor quality pics.,I think the value is $.01. I would call this a poor,poor-man's DDO. There are countless numbers of this type in circ.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about the glare, CoinHI, the flip makes it very hard to take good photos with my USB mic. And, no, RobertRansom, the photos aren't great, but I'm very certain this is a DDO. Take a closer look at "GOD" and the "L" of liberty. Virtually certain it's DDO-007, since I also identified some die markers.
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To CCF RobertRanson. I am sorry, but you're wrong. It's clearly a DDO and is worth way more than a Cent. Look again.

Nice find Sam!
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 Posted 03/30/2020  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add levelsofmadnes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats SamCoin

Excellent doubled die. Last year I have found 2,3, & 7. Maybe this year I can find 5,6, & 8.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a nice marker on the left edge of 'WE' on the 'w':
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 Posted 03/30/2020  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Levels, but I can really take no credit. This is one of a bunch of 1972 DDOs my dad found coin roll hunting as a teenager (along with several MD examples that he misidentified as DDOs). I've just been going through his collection and attributing the die varieties/relabeling the MD coins (still keeping them in flips since they're mostly MS coins and I like keeping the collection intact as assembled). I've identified two DDO-008s, one DDO-007, three DDO-003s, and one DDO-002. Planning to upload pics of a DDO-003 and DDO-002 when I have time.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobertRansom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Re-read my post again. I agreed it was a DDO, however I only see a "poor man's DDO. Extremely weak strike, lots of wear and Liberty and the date are? So, maybe a buck or two.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Flatten those staples...I known I known "you store them in a ......." but be on the safer side and flatten them, pleas...
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Haha okay, Greasy, I'll get to work on it, I do have the time now that it's the apocalypse lol. What implement do you suggest using to flatten them without mashing up the flips?

@RobertRansom, sorry, but you're just wrong. "Poor man's DDO" is the term used for Die Deterioration Doubling or Machine Doubling. This is a true doubled die, it's just not the most famous DDO-001 from 1972 that most people are familiar with. There were about 10 recognized doubled dies made that year in the Philly mint, and this is the one listed as DDO-007 by CONECA. You also said it was worth $.01, which is also extremely wrong. I'm not that knowledgeable about coin values, since I've never bought or sold any and prefer to just search through my change for oddities, but I do know this is at least a $10 coin in this condition, and probably more.
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More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
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 Posted 03/30/2020  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobertRansom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys are splitting hairs. You missed the point entirely. I have sorted through many 1972's over the years and solid DDO's are almost like hen's teeth. I found some that exhibited good overlapped doubling of "IGWT", a few with minor "Lib" doubling and the same for the date, but I have yet to find one that exhibits doubling of all three without using high resolution magnification. My point is simply this; A true DDO that is valued highly is one that exhibits obvious strong double characters on the date, Liberty and IGWT and can be viewed with the naked or bespectacled eye. That is what commands the bucks. but the majority of those are graded near the mid range of MS. Lastly, "Poorman's DDO was not used to demean SamCoin, rather it was my poor choice of words to describe a DDO that can be purchased without a large expenditure of Benjamins.
Ps. Ten bucks might be on the high side.
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 Posted 03/30/2020  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any pair of slip-joint pliers will do
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 Posted 03/31/2020  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RobertRansom, you sound like you have been around for a while and are knowledgeable but your definition of "Poor man's DDO" is confusing to newer collectors when they hear it used for a true DDO.
Here is a link for those newer members that need clarification on the definition of "Poor Man's DDO"
http://www.lincolncentforum.com/ter...logy-list-p/

Samcoin and others are not splitting hairs and are correct. (And please don't feel like we're "piling on".)

I've been called out before, and rightly so, for using my "slang" terms in making replies. It isn't a criticism of me or you but more of trying to keep the information consistent for newer collectors.
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 Posted 03/31/2020  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will do, greasy.

Your terminology is a little confusing, Robert. Even an excellent strike from some of the 1972 DDO dies wouldn't be visible to the naked eye without a lot of squinting, but they can still be worth a good chunk of money, and are certainly worth above face (you opened by claiming it was a $.01 coin, so yeah, kind of hard not to assume you meant it was MD/DDD, since obviously a true DDO imparts value).
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