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How Did PCGS Know This Morgan Dollar Was Artificially Toned?

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 Posted 05/23/2020  8:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add newguy22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...ls-Art-Toned

This morgan currently available on GreatCollections was given a "Questionable Color" Genuine grade. My question is how was PCGS able to tell this coin was artificially toned? In my opinion, the toning on this coin looks nothing different from many other toned examples that do get a graded designation from PCGS or NGC. Examples:

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/38248274
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/37251341
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/38444981
https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...66-CAC-Toned
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/37916007
https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...-MS-63-Toned
https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...65-CAC-Toned
https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...-MS-64-Toned

Maybe someone on the forum with more experience can enlighten me on what's going on haha.


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 Posted 05/23/2020  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the world of throw-your-dice TPG grading, especially on toned coins. You are a subject, you have no input, and you WILL pay manipulated market prices for our coins if you want to own them.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ariette to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They don't "know" for a fact that the coin was artificially toned. That's why they called it "Questionable Color" rather than "Artificially toned." My guess is that if it were cracked out and resubmitted, it would have a good chance at coming back with a clean grade.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinfrog basically summed it up.

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 Posted 05/23/2020  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add newguy22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Ariette

I guess what I'm wondering is what about the coin made PCGS think the toning was questionable in the first place. Were there any characteristics on the coin that would have been 'telling' that there may have been some artificial toning in the past?
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 Posted 05/23/2020  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS most likely gave the coin the sniffer test
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I guess what I'm wondering is what about the coin made PCGS think the toning was questionable in the first place. Were there any characteristics on the coin that would have been 'telling' that there may have been some artificial toning in the past?


I'm with you in that the toning looks natural to me. From what I've seen, it seems that the grading services throw around the "Questionable Color" designation like it's nothing, and that many of these coins could come back without the designation if resubmitted.
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 Posted 05/24/2020  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion? Because they spent 15-30 seconds looking at it, and it seemed different. Next!
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 Posted 05/24/2020  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JGpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at a million of the same coin and oddball stand out like a sore thumb. I used to do something similar and eventually started noticing unpublished varieties.
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 Posted 05/24/2020  05:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first thing I thought of was the sniffer test. Also, they see a lot of coins and they get good at what they are doing.
I have looked through a few coins in my day and can spot an "oddball" in seconds.When you see enough of what is and what isn't, it becomes second nature.
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Just a wild guess
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 Posted 05/24/2020  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add newguy22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ John1

"Sniffer test"? What does this mean?

Do the graders also do a taste test haha?
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 Posted 05/24/2020  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sniffer test is a fancy machine the TPG's use to test for chemicals on the coins from cleaning or artificially toned.
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 Posted 05/24/2020  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
4 bids and it's up to $3.15. This is a coin of questionable value....

So far as the toning goes, anyone could do better than this with a skillet and a hotplate. Those wiped-looking smears are awful. One on the obverse looks like a hand print.
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 Posted 05/24/2020  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it was submitted to PCGS still wrapped in a Taco Bell napkin.
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