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1805 (4 Berries) Draped Bust Dime

 
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 Posted 08/14/2020  12:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
What are your thoughts on this coin's condition and gradability? I rarely see such sharp detail on Draped Bust coins!



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 Posted 08/14/2020  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First thought: terrific coin!
Detail looks mint state, with the softly-defined areas likely due to striking issues. I don't see any hairline scratches. The blotchy toning and slightly glossy areas (like the eagle's head and the clouds) could be evidence of cleaning.
Could grade MS-62 if straight-graded; otherwise I'd opine "MS detail, cleaned."
Either way, a coin to treasure!
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 Posted 08/14/2020  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Jaobler! This coin is in a straight graded NGC holder--and for the sake of consistency in my PCGS type collection, I want to eventually send it to PCGS with a stipulation that as long as it straight grades, even if a little lower, they can crack it out and reslab it. Do you think the NGC straight grade (which may be a bit of an unofficial net grade) would help increase the chances PCGS straight grades it? I recently sent a family memeber's old coin collection (from the 1950s!) in to PCGS for certification and slabbing--and I was amazed how many Draped Bust coins ( half dimes and quarters) that seemed pretty obviously cleaned at some point were straight graded--and how the few that were "details" graded for cleaning, had the same beautiful album toning and lack of hairlines as the straight graders. I guess I am saying that I really don't know where the line is and would love to see which side of that line this beautiful dime would fall on.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it currently has a straight grade I don't think I'd crack it. The risk of getting a details slab from PCGS must be considered. A crossover submission is an option but I don't think PCGS is likely to give it a higher grade.
If you think it's under graded it might be worth getting a reconsideration from NGC. Or, maybe you could score a gold bean from CAC.
Again, it's a lovely piece as is.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  12:07 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure, but I love it. DB coins are tough to find well struck, especially the smaller size ones like the dime and half dime.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again, Jaobler. I certainly won't crack it. If I send it to PCGS the stipulation will be "only crack it out IF it straight grades," which I just learned I can do, so the worst case scenario is that it comes back in its original NGC straight grade slab. I prefer the PCGS slab for continuity in my type collection (it is my only dime that is in an NGC holder, not a PCGS one). If PCGS gives it a straight AU(55) or higher I would be happy. I will give the grade tomorrow, in case anyone else wants to guess tonight.

I really appreciate your feedback here. Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks great. If it were me I wouldn't bother with a PCGS holder. I think it may be struck from worn dies that may give an appearance of cleaning.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic coin, nice luster and just a trace of wear. I'd say AU-58. I don't see any sign of a past cleaning, but if you send it to PCGS for a crossover, I would definitely stipulate that it needs to straight grade as you noted.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i have a 4 berry in FR2 and was happy with that. this is an exceptional early piece. AU58
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 Posted 08/15/2020  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it crosses over as AU(58) then I would be really happy--AU(55) I would be satisfied. If it crosses over at MS(62) I would be on the moon. AU(50-53) I don't imagine as possibilities, as the wear on this, if it is even wear and not weakness in the strike, is significantly and visibly less than AU(50-53) examples I see online. Thanks so much for your feedback--the stipulation of straight grading will be very clear when I eventually get to this. My next goal is to get a decently priced and well struct AU(50) Draped Bust half dollar from 1806.

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 Posted 08/15/2020  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnjkedel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice !!
I collect both labels. I would be So happy to have it in either holder.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Check Paul Bulgerin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a beautiful coin!

I once owned an AG-3 1805 and was thrilled with it. I can't imagine what's it like to have one in this condition!

Thanks for sharing it with us.
Paul Bulgerin
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