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Hammered Coin, Possibly British, Possibly Reproduction?

 
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 Posted 10/10/2020  2:43 pm Show Profile   Check Cointosser77's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Cointosser77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here I have a hammered coin, it is very dark and quite thin I think it is silver, it does leave a mark and the edge comes out as shiny silver when rubbing the edge on paper. It has some RR counter stamped on it which makes me think it is some kind of reproduction or whatnot? Any idea what this could be?

Added info:
It weighs 2 grams and is ca 21mm in diameter, also it has a slight wobble to it
it is ca 1mm or slightly less than 1mm thick

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10/10/2020 3:12 pm
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 Posted 10/10/2020  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ct77, the soft, grainy detail make me think it is a repro also, but I'm going to move this over to the medieval section of CCF so that we can get some more eyes on it. In the meanwhile, can you please add the weight to this thread? Thx.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Check Cointosser77's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Cointosser77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Spence, I have added more info and more photos now
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 Posted 10/16/2020  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bumping this up, but also guessing this is a half groat (dimensions are a match) of Henry IV (legends also look like a match or nearly so).
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces166601.html

A real UK expert (I am certainly not) should be able to nail this.
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 Posted 10/16/2020  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at the surface texture and indistinct detail,
I think it is a repro, but I have to admit:
I am a learner on this one as well.

Very even thickness of the flan can give rise to questionable authenticity.
I do know that there are a few fakes of English hammered out there.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The soft outlines of the lettering and bust make it look cast. Not as sharply outlined as real ones. Maybe it's really bad corrosion or encrustation, but it looks awfully uniform.

The lettering is so mushy and dark I can't read it. The inner circle on the reverse should read CIVITAS LONDON.

Henry IV half groats are very rare, so probably a repro. Edward III are much more common and look similar.
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 Posted 10/18/2020  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The two incuse "R"s stamped into it clearly mark it as a reproduction.

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The inner circle on the reverse should read CIVITAS LONDON.

The mint-name appears to be VILLA CALIS - Calais mint.
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 Posted 10/19/2020  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a real Henry VI Calais half groat that looks remarkably similar, with the same kind of rounding of all the lettering and devices, probably from water wear.

https://www.colonialcollectables.co...-calais.html
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 Posted 10/19/2020  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Here's a real Henry VI Calais half groat that looks remarkably similar,


That one is counterstamped RL or possibly RRL. The R looks to be identical to this one.
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 Posted 10/19/2020  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess the photos in the link to this second "coin" make that counterstamp easier to see. For the life of me, I could not see it on the OP's coin, but now realize it is at 1:00 to 2:00

Yep. Repro. The mismatch of the beaded inner circle around 6:00-7:00 is the same on both.
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 Posted 10/21/2020  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finally! A real one, though it is a full groat. Just sold for $140 on CNG.

https://auctions.cNGCoins.com/lots/...ck-1422-1430

Much sharper than the two half groat replicas.
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