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 Posted 12/05/2008  11:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi, I just recently acquired my first Morgan. A non-collector friend was leaving for the Middle East and he had this single 1887 Morgan. I know I could have gotten a slabbed and better one with almost the same price, however, my friend needed the money, so why not.What is interesting about the coin is that on first glance it looks like there are four arrow heads instead of three. I guess some mint grease or deteriorated die caused this oddity.
Was this a good buy? Are there some other oddities on the coin? Got it for $20.00. Thanks

junjie





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 Posted 12/06/2008  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A great way to help out a friend.
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 Posted 12/06/2008  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgans dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
junjie, this is a nice start for your morgan collection, I am trying to enlarge the photo and see the date to give you some information on this coin, could you please re-take 2-more photos, obverse and reverse, I would like to see the coin better, and check out any other oddities or (VAM'S). It seems like the finish on your coin has a polished look to it, might be the light , thanks, MIKE
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 Posted 12/06/2008  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You did good.
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 Posted 12/06/2008  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you did well both with your friend and the coin
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 Posted 12/07/2008  03:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike here are two more shots of the coin. I can't take a better picture with my old camera. I hope this helps. Thank you all.

junjie




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 Posted 12/07/2008  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike is the date retouched? Here are some pictures of it.




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 Posted 12/07/2008  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think, tentatively, VAM-26:

http://www.vamworld.com/1887-P+VAM-26

Morgans are known for oddness about the 8's - the inside corners are a very sharp point in the die, and you'll sometimes see chips there from broken dies.

This is not a coin of great value, but it's a story of great value, worth much more than you paid.
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 Posted 12/07/2008  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice start junjie. This is another year where date placement is the major factor as to the Vam#. Yours appears to be in the normal position. If there is minor doubling on any of the date digits, I can't tell. What I'd like you to check is the ear and see if there is any doubling like the picture below.

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 Posted 12/07/2008  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgans dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Junjie, I do not think the date is retouched, I think without more "clear"photos, as Dave said, it might be a VAM 26, THE DATE IS SLANTED AND THE NUMBER 1 IS CLOSEST TO THE RIM.If you could I would like to see the base of the left wing, or the entire left wing if you could, THANKS, MIKE
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 Posted 12/07/2008  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some more shots. Now I'm beginning to see why a lot of collectors are on to Morgan.






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 Posted 12/08/2008  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgans dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Junjie, check out VAM 1F, I can not see well in the photos you have posted, you will see why I asked for the photos,i was looking for a die gouge on the lower left wing, very small, hard to see, look on the vamworld site, as stated above, good luck, MIKE
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junjie, I believe I see doubling inside the ear, but the light is shining right on the spot I need to see. Does it appear to be doubled to you. I respectfully disagree on the slanted date. Here's a picture of a slanted, and I just don't see enough distance from the denticles to the bottoms of last 8 and 7 to call yours slanted.

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 Posted 12/08/2008  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MorgansRmine, after pulling both images into the Gimp so I could look at them the same size, I agree that date of the coin here isn't slanted. Furthermore, the date digits are considerably thinner than those noted for VAM-26. There's a wide variance in the date stamps used for this year (I'm including some sample images below), and VAMworld's pics don't seem to show any of the thinnest date stamps, as in the original poster's coin and the first I've posted.







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 Posted 12/08/2008  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boy, you're still the master of the camera Dave, great pictures.
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 Posted 12/08/2008  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgans dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DAVE, this 1st MORGAN you have posted , the picture is beautiful and although she is silent in the photo, she says alot, I see a wonderful die break all along the left stars, through the truncation of the neck, and continues through the 188 and almost to the 7,possibly a mds or late die state?. I also see the clash mark behind the cap and I believe the hint of an incused "n" at the neck,i just love a good die break,could you post a picture of this coin's reverse, I would like to check it out, thanks for the post and the photos, BE WELL, MIKE
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