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1918-D Buffalo...you Vs NGC And ANACS

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 Posted 11/25/2020  9:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So this was one of a bunch that I sent to ANACS. I disagreed with the grade (won't give away too much), so I cracked it and sent it off in my last NGC submission.

Guess the grade that ANACS and NGC gave it. Will post results in 48 hrs.



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 Posted 11/25/2020  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say VF-35, possibly EF-40.
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 Posted 11/25/2020  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU55 with a mush strike
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 Posted 11/26/2020  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EF45-AU50 weak strike
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 Posted 11/26/2020  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Typical weakish strike.
I can go XF-45.
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 Posted 11/26/2020  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ANACS- AU53 , NGC- MS-63
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 Posted 11/26/2020  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say Anacs AU 58, NGC MS 64, my personal opinion is AU58
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 Posted 11/26/2020  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gunbarrelcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Looks like a typical weaker strike, no obvious signs of wear, few marks, looks like it's toning slightly. MS63
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 Posted 11/26/2020  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GMS5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ANACS AU-58, NGC MS-62
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 Posted 11/26/2020  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin! This has the nice look of an old album coin.

Matching EMDS dies. This is evident in the obverse detail of the strong date, full ribbons, and full rachis and calamus on the second feather. This is evident on the reverse on the separation of "F" of FIVE and "S" of CENTS from the rim, neck and beard detail, and strong EPU. Note the beginning of a small rim cud at 11:00 on the reverse and the small die chip inside the curl of the tail. This may lead to die pair identification some day.

Weak strike, even for 1918-D. The obverse die appears to have been seated very slightly off, evident on the weaker than normal LIBERTY and stronger than normal date.

Minimal die clashing and die polishing. The chin/EPU clash is minimal, with very little polishing at the chin and none at EPU. The second feather / buffalo's head clash is much more evident, with fairly strong polishing on the buffalo's head and a still-evident "spike" between the head and the "U" of UNITED. The obverse feather tip has been abraded partially. The "LIB" / right rear leg clash is moderate, with evident polishing above "IB" and heavy polishing on the right rear leg and between the legs. All in all, that is moderate clashing and polishing.

The surfaces are in excellent shape, with nice light golden toning. The obverse has either a struck-through or scratch near the rim at 11:00, a noticeable scratch descending from the nose past the chin, a slight rim ding at 3:00, and a small scratch (possibly on the holder) near 12:00. The reverse has a rim ding at 12:00, minor surface scratches beneath the buffalo's head, a deeper scratch behind the buffalo's left front lower leg, and a surface scratch on the buffalo's front shoulder. Minor album abrasions exist on both the obverse and reverse.

IMHO, a well-struck example with this appearance would hit MS-64 easily. The strike weakness is the major deterrent to a 64 here. I believe NGC would see the obverse as MS-64, reverse as MS-63+, net MS-63+, with an eye appeal strike adjustment downward to MS-63. I fear that ANACS saw the toning, album scratches, and weak strike as evidence of light circulation, and came in at AU-58.

I'm not a fan of CAC, but if this one is below MS-63, I'd recommend sending it in for a bean assessment.

Again, tough date and a nice coin.
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 Posted 11/26/2020  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quite the range so far! Will give it another day, and post results tomorrow afternoon.
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 Posted 11/26/2020  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm the outlier here and deserve a kick in the !*# for grading this from a cell phone. Agree AU-50 or better.
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 Posted 11/27/2020  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS63

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 Posted 11/27/2020  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just shorthand for E PLURIBUS UNUM.
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 Posted 11/27/2020  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So ANACS gave this a straight graded XF-40. Felt that was very low so I cracked it and included this in my last NGC sub. This is the holder it currently resides. No signs of a cleaning that I can see in hand, not sure what NGC saw in this. Not sure what's in store for this one. Not looking for any Details grades in the AU-MS slabbed Buff set I'm currently working on.

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 Posted 11/27/2020  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cleaned?
Next time NGC gives one of your coins a Details grade you should demand they give you an explanation for that grade.
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