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 Posted 01/15/2021  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd only buy it if I could get a roll of those.
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 Posted 01/15/2021  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While the reverse is interesting, the obverse does appear to have reached a terminal stage (if there is no luster present under the black toning).
Not enough pictures to make a real judgment call.
It does bother me that the toning is so uniform, I would expect to see a more crackled appearance.
I would pass on this piece.

As far as NGC vs PCGS, you don't see many coins crossing from NGC to PCGS at the same grade, they often drop at least a point. I think that says a lot.
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 Posted 01/15/2021  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Meanwhile, the seller is getting excited seeing they have received so many views on this coin
Going viral for all the wrong reasons.
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 Posted 01/16/2021  02:03 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While this coin is probably genuine toning, y'all do know it's not hard to force a slabbed coin to take on certain colors of toning by enclosing the slab to a sealed bag full of certain chemical gasses? I remember Coin World doing a big expose story on this in the 1990's. It's not hard. I would never pay more than a small premium for a toned coin, and only if it was a monster tone that improved the eye appeal.

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 Posted 01/16/2021  02:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This looks like it was artificially toned to me
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 Posted 01/16/2021  05:31 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The color banding is in the correct order, like a natural rainbow, and the reverse while strange looking is seen often enough on Morgan dollars, (anyone remember the 1888 Scarface here last year, went to Pawn Stars) also another Scarface Morgan sold at Heritage with very similar toning look. Robert Campbell has done some amazing talks at various conventions over the years on how to tell real vs. artificial toning on coins.

Part One:
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/578921

Part Two:
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/578922

My first time hearing this talk was even before this video was made, at an impromptu meet-up during an ANA Bull Session. Eventually he turned it into the talk he now gives at the coin shows and conventions. Bob really explains this subject better than almost anyone IMO. Hope you all might find the videos informative. I do wish there were some newer higher quality video clips, but still the information is good.
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 Posted 01/16/2021  11:07 am  Show Profile   Check captainrich's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add captainrich to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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If I recall correctly, way back eBay used to charge a listing fee based on the opening price.
Items like this make me wish they still did it, and maybe even raise the listing fee.


I think this is the type of Buy It Now auction where the seller lists a high asking price, and then waits for people to put it on their Watch lists so he can send out 50% off messages.
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 Posted 01/16/2021  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I consider the idea that natural and artificial toning to be fully distinguishable by color sequence to be pseudoscience. There are more aspects to a coin's appearance we pick up on when deciding from our own learned opinion whether a coin is intentionally/quickly or unintentionally/slowly toned
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 Posted 01/16/2021  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I consider the idea that natural and artificial toning to be fully distinguishable by color sequence to be pseudoscience. There are more aspects to a coin's appearance we pick up on when deciding from our own learned opinion whether a coin is intentionally/quickly or unintentionally/slowly toned

Color sequence is critical, but has to be coupled with elevation chromatics and transition.
The videos provided by westcoin with Bob Campbell are excellent at explaining what to look for.
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 Posted 01/16/2021  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm surprised NGC gave this one a straight grade. That obverse toning is terminal state and what I consider environmental damage. Also, it is an AU58 coin at best.




@dave700x, This. I would be a hard no at any price.
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 Posted 01/16/2021  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/19/2021  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've never understood the appeal of coin toning. What is ugly on the table is supposed to be beautiful on a coin.


Hey, THQ, if you want to get rid of any bright rainbow toners, II might take then off your hands. Wouldn't want you to hold onto anything so ugly.
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 Posted 01/19/2021  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was talking about spoons twslisa. The last one I polished was a colonial coin-silver coffee spoon ca 1770, which was taking on the rainbow look. Nice and shiny now. The older the silver, the faster it seems to retone after a polish. The oldest spoon I have is a 1702 English dognose, which was darkening into a gold/bronze color. From the wear on the hallmarks these spoons have been polished hundreds of times.

This is the kind of natural toning I like on a coin. A light peachy gold color.


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 Posted 01/19/2021  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This is the kind of natural toning I like on a coin. A light peachy gold color.
Looks nice!
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 Posted 01/19/2021  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This is the kind of natural toning I like on a coin. A light peachy gold color.


To each his own.
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