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Assistance, Please, In Understanding Proof 1955 LWC D?r

 
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 Posted 01/25/2021  09:41 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This coin owner needs help from a coin collector.

The reverse of this LWC is doubled at the E PLURIBUS UNUM. The prime indicator is the dot following E. The rest of the doubling in this strike is more subtle. I'll not risk labeling this a doubled die because it could well be a double strike by a perfect die - and vice versa. It could just as well be a minting phenomenon presently unknown by me. I would appreciate the gift of proper nomenclature for future use.

My photos are less than optimal. Please indulge my reticence to violate packaging the mint sealed 65 years past.

I have three questions: 1) How interesting (if at all) would a collector find this one-coin-in-the-set oddity? 2) If a collector offered it for sale would s/he expect a premium over the already impressive '55 sets on Ebay's sold items? 3) If "yes" surfaces from either of the earlier questions, what range of markup would that collector aspire to / settle for?

I'll print out any advice I get and store the printout with the set.

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 Posted 01/25/2021  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WDDR-001? See if you can match markers.https://www.doubleddie.com/302101.html
I am sure there would be a mark up to a DDR collector.
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Thank you @John1,

I followed the link. Am I wrong to conclude that Wexler's WDDR-001 confines itself to dies and die markers germane to business strikes? Is there a proof die / business die overlap I need to know about? I've always thought die markers were anathema to proof strikes.

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Can't help you with any of that,sorry. The ones on wexler seem to be proofs. If they really are you would think he would state that in the attribution number.You might want to send him your photos and see what he says.
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 Posted 01/25/2021  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If not listed, it should be.
Coppercoins has a couple of listings:
1955P-1DR-003
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 01/25/2021  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date looks very thick as well...
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There are 10 DDRs listed here. Only 1 is a business strike.
Looks like a match to DDR-007
http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20...5PDDR007.htm

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What fun - learning how experts work their way back to coins which require their familiarity. Yes, even to this know-nothing it looks like a match to DDR-007.

I find one comforting perfection and one vexing imperfection. At Stage A, the match to the dot between ".BUS and UNUM" seems perfect, but no matter what I do with light delivery (and I can do quite bit) I cannot image a wheat ear scratch. (See below. Again I apologize for the packaging).

Any more learning on offer?

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Try a low light from the left or right. Just one side. I think ic an see the scratches on your picture.
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 Posted 01/27/2021  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Can't help you with any of that,sorry. The ones on wexler seem to be proofs. If they really are you would think he would state that in the attribution number.You might want to send him your photos and see what he says.
John1


I've been studying Wexler's site to learn how to follow the advice you gave. I've learned how to send him a coin, but not a digital object.

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Wexlers listing that are proofs, start with PR
DDR-007 crosses over to Pr WDDR-001
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Keep in mind the Proof coins had only 3,000 coins from the dies. So a doubled die on them would be a lot rarer to find. Proof coins are struck twice, so with only 6,000 strikes, the coins will be a lot nicer. But when you start looking closely, the higher pressure of the strikes, aged the dies a lot faster. We often see examples that were were over polished that reduced the size of the devices:


Note the size differences on these? Something sever must have happened. Probably a die clash.


These are showing that outer edge of the die was affected on that one area. The rest of the die was normal.
You often see Machine Doubling on the Proof coins. Because of the second strike, if the first strike had Machine Doubling, it would be flatten on the second strike. This is called Flat Field doubling:





This even happened on doubled dies as well.

While these are unique looking, there is no premium for them as they are part of Machine Doubling. But if they have a doubled die and have it, it is a keeper for the doubled die, not for the flat field doubling.

CoopHome: Proof coins polished dies, Flat field doubling

Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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