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Is This 1799 Dollar Authentic?

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 Posted 01/26/2021  02:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello! I am not in the market for one at the moment, but this 1799 dollar looks kind of like a Chinese fake. I am trying to train my own eye better here--what do you guys think?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1799-DRAPE...100167.m2940
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 Posted 01/26/2021  02:30 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure. It looks like it *might* be a B-17 but I'm no expert on these.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  08:14 am  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin doesn't strike me as an obvious fake but I am no expert on these.
The seller appears to be very reliable and I would personally trust them. (That either it is good, of they will make it right if it is not)
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 Posted 01/26/2021  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my amateur eye it looks genuine.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The dealer could be asked if it sticks to a magnet...or if it could be sent to a TPG to get authenticated. This one I'm cautiously optimistic on being genuine.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, guys! As I said I am not looking to buy it--I am just trying to "train my eyes." I am eager to learn how to differentiate fakes from genuine ones of this color and cleanness. I would never make a real accusation without feeling like I have a strong leg to stand on, and I would never make one without asking the right questions first. I really appreciate your opinions and time on this forum.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a genuine, late die state of B-8. It's got all the appropriate die markers and die cracks for that die marriage. The obverse has a cleaned appearance, which might be why it sort of has a fake look to it.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is genuine, why is it not slabbed? For the price the seller is asking ($2K+), the extra cost to have it graded is a rounding error.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some coin and paper money dealers (especially old-timers) just don't believe in slabs.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Some coin and paper money dealers (especially old-timers) just don't believe in slabs.


If $(coin) > $500, then no slab = no sale (for me).
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 Posted 01/26/2021  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are still lots of high-priced coins out there that aren't slabbed. Perhaps it was once slabbed as a details coin for cleaning, and the owner preferred it raw. Or maybe it was in a type album. But I agree that not having it graded and authenticated may limit the buyer pool.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinguy1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This amateur says fake, JMHO.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please be more specific about your conclusion.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinguy1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen mostly fakes on here, and again this looks to be a fake, JMHO.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Late to the party here and no opinion on the authenticity of the coin in question.

That said - definite opinion on the eBay seller hsturn - run away from his/her auctions as hsturn his personally proven to me to be a seller of doctored/cleaned authentic coins.

I shudder to recall the days when I was a newbie on classic commemorate coins - 15 years ago - and naively purchased several hstrun coins based on the eBay photos - all proved to be PCGS 'details genuine cleaned'.

I can't believe the seller is still active and all those positive eBay reviews.

As they say ... buyer beware. Coming from hsturn there is a nefarious reason this otherwise valuable coin is not TPG certified.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin appears to be a regular date, 7/6 stars that has die cracks that match the variety in LIBERTY and STATES. The example appears to be genuine. The obverse color and toning is similar to a Chinese fake, but it could be photos.
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