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Broken Left Wing On 1889 Morgan CC -Flat With Rest Of Coin Surface

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 Posted 01/27/2021  9:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DennisA13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message


bought online, shipped from China. Left wing has strange defect with missing material, but it is flat to the rest of the surface and feathers around it look correct? Ideas? Company also sent a small coin as gift. Seems to be an 1863 Gold US dollar, I weighed at 1.26003 grams, really great condition. Hard to believe this might be worth more than the Morgan.
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 Posted 01/27/2021  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake and fake.
First clue China , second clue , a Gold Dollar as a gift .
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 Posted 01/27/2021  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Check Kloccwork419's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Kloccwork419 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would assume they are both fake. 1st problem was China. Thats a very rare and very counterfeited coin. See how that rim is scratched up? Thats to cover up a seem where they put 2 halves together. Almost 100% sure thats what happened here. Dont buy from China. Why would someone send a free gold coin that worth probably $1500 by itself. Hope you didnt pay alot because you wont get your money back
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 Posted 01/27/2021  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numiscrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi!

I am afraid you won't be happy with the verdict on those... Just as a hint, have you checked what an 1863 gold dollar should look like, and its weight?



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 Posted 01/27/2021  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add levelsofmadnes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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i dont know much about morgans but my first thought was... whats wrong with this coin? looks lifeless

very nice photo of the morgan... bottom looks a little out of focus.

here is an interesting site for morgans http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...om/wiki/Home
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 Posted 01/27/2021  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Morgan is a very obvious fake - details all wrong.

The gold dollar is not even the right design.
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 Posted 01/27/2021  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it comes from China, isn't stupidly expensive, and comes with a free anything it's fake. Think wish.com for coins.
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 Posted 01/27/2021  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually the free fake gold coin looks better than the fake CC Morgan you paid for.
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 Posted 01/27/2021  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fake sadly.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oof. Hope you didn't spend much, but that seems unlikely if you thought you were buying a CC Morgan.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Most likely, ANY coins you buy online from China are gonna be fake.

Unfortunately, you have probably lost that money.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, just adding to what westernsky said, first sign that something was amiss might be that your US coinage needed to be shipped from China. Obviously collectors can live anywhere in the world, but the vast majority of these are still in the US.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DennisA13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Didn't order from China, but the product was shipped from China, like from WISH, as noted. Gold coin, which I didn't order, and have received circulated Chilean pesos and Chinese cents as gifts before, so wondered if someone had a pile and made a mistake. Checked the weight (I have a 0.00001g scale) and it was light. What gives it away on detail. More to the point, it is point to point identical to same year coins on this site's images, so comment that gold is not right design needs more info for me. Which details on the Morgan give it away as fake. It also matches image of same coin on site. Weight is light 25.386 versus 26.73g. I have 2 US website 1921 Morgans, one weights 26.805 so over 0.07g heavy in uncirculated condition. I am trying to learn so please specify exact detail variations. Have read here on Morgans and know of many changes over the years and many different variations mint to mint and strike to strike. thanks
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 Posted 01/28/2021  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DennisA13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
for completeness sake, since I was only interested in the wing defect, here is the coin front. Thanks
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 Posted 01/28/2021  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, the biggest giveaway is just the lack of crispness on all the devices and design elements. Everything looks kind of smudged and blurred. This is because the coin was either made with a soft metal die or else cast. Based on some of the surface texture details and the way the rim seems a little bit sanded down, I'm guessing cast, but someone with more counterfeit knowledge than me can hopefully chime in with more info on that.
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1995 DDO-001/FS-101: http://goccf.com/t/376071#3225244
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 Posted 01/28/2021  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Magnet and tissue test comes to mind?
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