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British Indian Rupees With Regional Counterstamps, Are These Authentic?

 
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United States
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 Posted 04/13/2021  01:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add newguy22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message







I see these coins being sold on Ebay from Europe all the time, and every single time I see them, I feel like something is kind of off. Every single piece has nearly identical patina, and something just says counterfeit in the pit of my stomach. Circulated coins come in all colors and forms, yet these particular types of coins always appear to be the same, patina wise. Yet, most cases I see online have bidders trying to buy them. Here are a few links for anyone interested in checking them out:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254936702803

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254936699482

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254936703808

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254936701734

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254936702359

What are your guys's opinions on these? Fake? Authentic? Not sure?
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 Posted 04/13/2021  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add newguy22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FYI, my parents owned a jewelry shop while growing up and they always told me that fake silver tends to develop a reddish patina.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of the surfaces also have a bubbly, blurry and coarse appearance to them, personally I would avoid.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  02:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That what my 'gut' feeling is as well, and for the same reasons.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  05:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Avoid.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JadeDragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stamps look fake to me, according to my gut. The first linked auction says " BRITISH INDIA ,1840 SILVER COINS ,BRITISH INFLUENCE, COUNTER STAMP. COINS IS 100% ORIGINAL, UNKNOWN DATE AND ORIGINALITY OF THE COUNTER MARK FANTASY ISSUE.".

So ya, even the seller is pretty clear this is a faked coin. I'm not convinced the original coin is genuine either since they all look the same age, but I'm not an expert on coins of this type.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is possible that the counterstamps are authentic, but the coin is not.
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 Posted 04/13/2021  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add newguy22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say the counterstamps are based on actual historical stamps, but they were made in a modern factory/lab. I don't think the original pieces have the circular border that's seen on many of these pieces. The first, fourth, and fifth photos are what I am talking about. I don't know for certain, and this is just coming off the top of my head, but authentic pieces shouldn't have that circular border, right? The border would tell me that all these stamps were made in the same location with the same equipment. I think these stamps were originally made regionally, and so there wouldn't/shouldn't be too much continuity between all of them.

Any experts in this forum on the topic?
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 Posted 04/13/2021  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the comments above that the coins are likely genuine but the "stamps" which makes them valuable as numismatic items are Forgeries.

This is a classic fraud perpetrated by Numismatic Forgers in various locations. The host coins are usually worn to 'non-collectable" standards (melt coins) and the stamps are either fantasies or copies of pictures from old catalogs. There are cases where on eBay the Forgers use a booklet that they produce to authenticate these frauds as very valuable.

Run away - run very fast and do not look back. These are bogus.

The makers of these "commemorative issues" do their work in countries that do not have laws covering this type of forgery. They wholesale the crap to eBay shills who sell for them from a myriad of locations. They are supported at least in part bu organized crime.
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 Posted 04/15/2021  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There has been a glut of these forgeries on ebay recently. They seem to come from a small number of sellers and are usually posted in groups. All are clearly fake - including some which are fantasy counter stamps that never existed.
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 Posted 04/15/2021  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not believe the host coins are genuine as well as the counterstamp. Very likely to be base metals.

It's just too many fakes these days.
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