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Question On Sovereign Variability In Dimensions

 
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 Posted 05/13/2021  11:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add keevan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I got a batch of A-22 air-tites in today and started putting some gold sovereigns inside, and I noticed that one of them (1911) would not fit into the direct-fit airtite (22mm), it would not lie flat in the circular indentation in the plastic holder. I got a few other comparable sovereigns and they fit fine.

I started thinking that the 1911 was possibly fake because all other sovereigns fit fine in the airtite holder.
I took some measurements as best I could and there's nothing that really sticks out in comparison with the others I measured.

Am I unnecessarily worried about a 110+ year old coin that didn't get struck with the exact right dimensions to make it fit into a plastic holder? Perhaps it's not perfectly circular or flat.
If the coin in question fit in the airtite fine, I would have no reason to consider it as possibly suspect since it passes all my tests (sigma, magnet, dimension weight, ping test, etc).

Year Diameter Thickness Grams Sigma Fits in A22 airtite?
1911 22.26mm 1.58mm 8.0 mid - 2 No, won't lie flat inside unless I force it in
1928 22.07mm 1.52mm 8.0 mid - 1 Yes
1903 22.24mm 1.56mm 8.0 mid - 1 Yes
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 Posted 05/13/2021  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

We'll need pictures to authenticate. Weight would also help.
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 Posted 05/13/2021  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A sovereign ought to be the correct size, and no out by so much that it won't fit in a sovereign-sized case or box. The various branches of The Royal Mint were usually very meticulous with keeping the gold coins to the proper standard dimensions.

Possible options:
- Counterfeit. In the Middle East and Dubai, in particular, replica gold coins are commonly made by the jewellers in the gold market. Dubai replicas are supposed to be clearly coujntermarked with their gold fineness, but older Lebanese replicas are likely to be unmarked.
- Altered coin. Perhaps the coin was turned into a piece of jewellery at one stage, then removed again. The process of turning it into jewellery might have flattened it, or squeezed the edges. THere's also likely to be damage at some point, so pics would be helpful in ruling this option out.
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 Posted 05/13/2021  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The slabbed Half dollar No FG farce: Download No-FG half vs. Grading Company Claims report here:
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Can't link my imgur post for pictures --- trying forum suggested alternatives
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Any pics of the obverse?

The side-by-side edge pic worries me - because sovereigns are supposed to all have exactly the same milling - it was one of the key anti-counterfieting measures of the coin. Yet these two coins do not seem to have correctly aligned milling.
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 Posted 05/14/2021  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keevan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback. Some more pictures below:







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