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PCGS Slab Tightness.

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 Posted 05/25/2021  07:18 am Show Profile   Check Slerk's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I noticed that a sufficient number of coins rated by PCGS, as well as NGC coins are rotated. As I was informed by one collector, this is due to a not very tight slack and the coin turns over time. Today I got a Barber dime 1897-O PCGS and when shaking it makes a sound of plastic rubbing and the coin flips very easily. Have you ever encountered such a problem ?
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 Posted 05/25/2021  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@slerk, I'm not super-knowledgeable about these things, but I think that the term is "rattler" and this was a known issue with older PCGS slabs.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the label is green and you have a rattler, you might have a desirable old Gen1 slab.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  08:02 am  Show Profile   Check Slerk's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the problem coin.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, not uncommon on older slabs.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a lot of rim left on that coin to fill the space designed to hold a full rimmed dime.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  08:42 am  Show Profile   Check Slerk's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is mine considered old?
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 Posted 05/25/2021  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nfine makes a good point.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it is a good point. They slab coins from all eras and from all over the world so they slab coins of varying thickness with a similar diameter to this coin. So why didn't they select an appropriate holder for this coin? When you pay good money for a service near enough isn't good enough and one size doesn't fit all.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Check Slerk's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see that I am not the only one with this problem. Is it highly prevalent in newer slabs?
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 Posted 05/25/2021  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Is mine considered old?


Your slab in the image is not an old slab.


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Is it highly prevalent in newer slabs?


No, it is not highly prevalent in newer slabs. But it can and does occur in all generations of slabs.

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 Posted 05/25/2021  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Check Slerk's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a perfectionist, I am very concerned about this problem + I also have a damaged slab.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I also have a damaged slab.


The slab itself is in no way damaged. The internal fit was probably off by ~1mm or less. When you grade almost 300,000 coins per month, mistakes do happen.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Check Slerk's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was talking about the damage on the reverse. It is quite small and does not look like a chip at all. But thank you for reassuring me, and this is just a minor flaw in the company.
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 Posted 05/25/2021  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've got quite a few older slabs and I've seen the coins can gradually rotate with handling, especially the 1st generation PCGS "rattler" slabs. I've found the coins can often be rotated back in place just by gently tapping a corner of the holder against the palm of your hand until they're positioned as you would like. I've seen coins mispositioned in newer slabs, but those are usually tight enough this little trick won't work.
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 Posted 05/26/2021  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I was talking about the damage on the reverse. It is quite small and does not look like a chip at all.

From the pic, to me that does look like a small chip in the stacking edge, which is not too unusual to see. The stacking edge is fairly thin and a bit prone to chipping with a lot of handling.
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