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2021 Sc- Small Obverse Cud Or A Fat Die Crack ?

 
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 Posted 07/21/2021  6:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 11997755 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Looks a little big to be considered a crack. Maybe a CUD ? In any case, a nice spike head.



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 Posted 07/21/2021  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, there IS a Cud and there IS a die crack, so it looks like you have both.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. Looks more like a Die Break.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 11997755 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well, there IS a Cud and there IS a die crack, so it looks like you have both.


That what I thought as well.


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Looks more like a Die Break.


Die is definingly broke/cracked.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die crack with a die chip?
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 Posted 07/21/2021  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd call it a die crack and a die chip.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I call it nice enough to save in a 2x2. Nice find @1199.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Die crack with a die chip?


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I'd call it a die crack and a die chip.


I'm with John1 and Coinfrog on it being a die chip and a crack.

The 'chip' does not involve the rim edge. it just goes up to the rim.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Check VestigeWolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add VestigeWolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to go through the rim in the second pic. Does that make it a small cud? It also appears to have a cracked skull.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only reason I called it a Die Break instead of a Die Chip is because of the size. It is hard to tell from a blown up photo but it looked more than 4 square mm. If it is smaller, then it is indeed a Die Chip.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this link will explain it far better than I could on what a cud is and looks like.

https://cuds-on-coins.com/cuds/
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 Posted 07/22/2021  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Size wise it might only be a die chip but it is raised above and overlaps the rim a little.

IMHO, if it gets larger it will be considered a cud.
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 Posted 07/22/2021  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If a piece of the edge of the die is broken away leaving a void, then it is taller than the rim. This one looks like a small die cud as it is taller than the rim. Die cracks are not tall enough to be taller than the rim. A die break can be taller, and if located on the rim where part of the die broke off, it would be a cud. But a large die chip/break on the grains on a Wheat cent would not be a die cud. It would have to be on the outside edge of the die to be a cud.
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Thanks for the input all and thanks Coop for the illustrated tutorial.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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