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Are MS Coins With Whizzing Doomed To AU Status

 
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 Posted 09/10/2021  02:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Do coins with features of an MS 63 (luster, cartwheel, grade, no wear etc) become automatically disqualified to a lower grade MS(MS-62,61 or 60) as a result of having whizzing marks (light or heavier)?

In a nutshell, does any degree of whizzing prevent coins from getting any MS grade?
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 Posted 09/10/2021  03:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS coins that are whizzed are doomed. Full stop.
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 Posted 09/10/2021  05:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are no longer MS coins and are considered damaged coins. The damage cannot be reversed.
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 Posted 09/10/2021  05:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like the others have said, it's no longer an MS-6X coin, now it's an "Unc Details" coin. Once whizzed (irreparably damaged) a coin is no longer "Mint State" but it can have "Uncirculated Detail" referring to a lack of wear prior to its damage
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 Posted 09/10/2021  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with all above.
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 Posted 09/10/2021  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same. Whizzing prevents a coin from getting a numerical grade.
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 Posted 09/10/2021  09:33 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whizzing is a type of intentional "damage" intended to make the coin look better. Once damaged, it can not be "undamaged".
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 Posted 09/10/2021  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It severely damages the coin and, in most cases, will reduce it to way below AU value. For most issues, melt value. For a very rare coin, it would knock an AU or MS coin down to G-6 or VG-8 prices. Personally I'd rather have a clean G6 than a whizzed AU coin.
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 Posted 09/11/2021  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just mentioned my opinion about this on a different topic the other day. IMO, I feel like if a coin has received any type of abrasive cleaning.polished, whizzed, etc., it should automatically bump it down to AU Details. A coin that has naturally been lightly circulated, has light wear at the high points and broken luster is AU58. So why should a coin with the same end result but was done intentionally "whizzed" "harshly cleaned" be any different? It's still the same end result. A coin should be graded based on its current condition not "well this was mint state until someone went to town with rotary tool". Well that AU58 was also MS before it saw very slight circulation . That said, that's just my opinion, and I'm probably the minority on the topic. TPG's are more than willing to hand out UNC Details grades for whizzed examples, and I feel, they do so a bit too freely.
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 Posted 09/11/2021  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unc details or AU details may not matter for the actual selling price. A prospective buyer would look at the coin and assess how bad the whizzing was and how much to discount it.
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 Posted 09/11/2021  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Usually they are AU coins whizzed to mimic MS. It puts an artificial chartwheel luster on the surfaces.
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 Posted 09/15/2021  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with indian gold eagle
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