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1882 S Morgan - Looking To Grade This Puppy - Welcome Input

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 Posted 09/28/2021  7:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinMan2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello

Have this Morgan I'm trying to give the proper grade.

It was marked MS 63 when I got it. The finish looks MS to me. Details good. I am concerned about gray areas around letters and stars. Looks odd to me. But I am not experienced enough to know what I am looking at.

There is a lot of "chatter" I believe if I understand the usage of that word in the fields and some spotting of some sort.

With some of the surface things I'm seeing under magnification. I am guessing this is MS 60?








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 Posted 09/28/2021  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
63 maybe 63+. Nice luster.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say MS-63.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see parallel lines on the cheek in the first photo. There seems to be scratches as well by the E and P on the obverse. If this were my coin, I would expect the worst result and anticipate a details grade for either scratches, damage, or cleaning.

MS62 Details

EDIT: I now see the coin is in a 2x2. The scratches could be on the holder. For the best images, remove the coin from the 2x2.
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09/28/2021 8:04 pm
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On the first picture of obverse - has anyone seen the gray areas around the stars and letters - it shows well there. The gray areas follow the lines of the letter or star like a mirror image of it - is that a striking error or something?
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 Posted 09/28/2021  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMan2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

See stars and date - it shows gray mirroring of coin here:

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 Posted 09/28/2021  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only from what I've learned from this site:

"concerned about gray areas around letters and stars"

My understanding it's called push or strike toning, nothing to be concerned about. But hoping someone with more knowledge will verify this for both of us....
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 Posted 09/28/2021  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen the "ghosting" of the devices and lettering before. Not sure what it exactly is. I am looking forward to other responses to learn something new
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 Posted 09/28/2021  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The shadowing on the outside of the stars and date is called pull away toning, not unusual in mint state Morgans. Looks MS-63 to me with nice luster. Probably some light roller marks on the cheek and some die polishing lines on the reverse, neither of which should affect the grade.
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The toned Morgan specialists study this effect more carefully than anyone else.

3. Elevation Chromatics

This term, first coined by toned Morgan dealer Brandon Kelley, refers to how different colors sit at different elevations on a coin's surface. Any given coin has high and low points within the design, and when toning occurs naturally, the same exact colors don't appear on both the high points and the low points. On Morgan dollars, one of the best places to look is at the word LIBERTY. If this area is toned, the toning will almost always be a different color or shade of colors within the crevasses of LIBERTY as compared to the surrounding area. In addition to the word LIBERTY, the hair of lady liberty (the bust you see on a Morgan dollar) has a lot of higher and lower points in it, so that is another place one can look to for this phenomenon. The same is true with the stars and date on a coin, and even the lettering. Because those areas are elevated above the fields, a naturally toned Morgan dollar will have different colors on those high points as compared to the surrounding area. It is very difficult to replicate this through artificial methods, and this is why AT coins typically exhibit the same color flowing across high and low points as if they weren't there. Stand-out elevation chromatics are not only an indicator of natural toning, but are actually quite desirable by collectors because of how nice the colors look.

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 Posted 09/28/2021  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMan2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like its in flip - but it is not - I just had it resting on a flip to avoid using my hands and to position it for good pics.
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OK, so I was close...pull away toning..got it.
Thanks Zurie and NS for the info and link....
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 Posted 09/28/2021  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMan2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all for the input - I greatly appreciate your insights.

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 Posted 09/28/2021  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like the coin was toned with pull away toning around the letters and stars, then, the coin was dipped to remove the toning, and the gray pull away remains. There are also some milk spots on the reverse that could of happened because the dip was not rinsed correctly.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Slider, the coin was likely dipped in the past. Not necessarily a bad thing. MS-63 from me, might get a + from the luster.
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 Posted 09/29/2021  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks 63 or 63+ if the grader loves the booming luster. The scuff on the cheek is bottom of the bag type stuff, doesn't look like a cleaning particularly on a coin booming with luster. Any cleaning would have stripped a lot of that off. May have been dipped once but that's not really an issue in these grades.
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