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Hello Have this Morgan I'm trying to give the proper grade. It was marked MS 63 when I got it. The finish looks MS to me. Details good. I am concerned about gray areas around letters and stars. Looks odd to me. But I am not experienced enough to know what I am looking at. There is a lot of "chatter" I believe if I understand the usage of that word in the fields and some spotting of some sort. With some of the surface things I'm seeing under magnification. I am guessing this is MS 60?     |
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Bedrock of the Community
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63 maybe 63+. Nice luster.
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I see parallel lines on the cheek in the first photo. There seems to be scratches as well by the E and P on the obverse. If this were my coin, I would expect the worst result and anticipate a details grade for either scratches, damage, or cleaning.
MS62 Details
EDIT: I now see the coin is in a 2x2. The scratches could be on the holder. For the best images, remove the coin from the 2x2.
Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. Edited by jacrispies
09/28/2021 8:04 pm
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On the first picture of obverse - has anyone seen the gray areas around the stars and letters - it shows well there. The gray areas follow the lines of the letter or star like a mirror image of it - is that a striking error or something?
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See stars and date - it shows gray mirroring of coin here:  |
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Only from what I've learned from this site: "concerned about gray areas around letters and stars" My understanding it's called push or strike toning, nothing to be concerned about. But hoping someone with more knowledge will verify this for both of us....  |
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I have seen the "ghosting" of the devices and lettering before. Not sure what it exactly is. I am looking forward to other responses to learn something new  Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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The shadowing on the outside of the stars and date is called pull away toning, not unusual in mint state Morgans. Looks MS-63 to me with nice luster. Probably some light roller marks on the cheek and some die polishing lines on the reverse, neither of which should affect the grade.
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The toned Morgan specialists study this effect more carefully than anyone else. 3. Elevation ChromaticsThis term, first coined by toned Morgan dealer Brandon Kelley, refers to how different colors sit at different elevations on a coin's surface. Any given coin has high and low points within the design, and when toning occurs naturally, the same exact colors don't appear on both the high points and the low points. On Morgan dollars, one of the best places to look is at the word LIBERTY. If this area is toned, the toning will almost always be a different color or shade of colors within the crevasses of LIBERTY as compared to the surrounding area. In addition to the word LIBERTY, the hair of lady liberty (the bust you see on a Morgan dollar) has a lot of higher and lower points in it, so that is another place one can look to for this phenomenon. The same is true with the stars and date on a coin, and even the lettering. Because those areas are elevated above the fields, a naturally toned Morgan dollar will have different colors on those high points as compared to the surrounding area. It is very difficult to replicate this through artificial methods, and this is why AT coins typically exhibit the same color flowing across high and low points as if they weren't there. Stand-out elevation chromatics are not only an indicator of natural toning, but are actually quite desirable by collectors because of how nice the colors look. https://www.monstertonedmorgans.com...oned-morgans |
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It looks like its in flip - but it is not - I just had it resting on a flip to avoid using my hands and to position it for good pics.
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OK, so I was close...pull away toning..got it. Thanks Zurie and NS for the info and link.... |
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It looks like the coin was toned with pull away toning around the letters and stars, then, the coin was dipped to remove the toning, and the gray pull away remains. There are also some milk spots on the reverse that could of happened because the dip was not rinsed correctly.
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I agree with Slider, the coin was likely dipped in the past. Not necessarily a bad thing. MS-63 from me, might get a + from the luster.
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Looks 63 or 63+ if the grader loves the booming luster. The scuff on the cheek is bottom of the bag type stuff, doesn't look like a cleaning particularly on a coin booming with luster. Any cleaning would have stripped a lot of that off. May have been dipped once but that's not really an issue in these grades.
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09/29/2021 07:44 am
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