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What is this coin, from what I have read its the color !
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Farran Zerbe was a noted numismatist, President of the ANA and the driving force behind the creation of the Peace dollar. It is said that as compensation for not having Peace dollars minted and ready for the ANA convention in the summer of 1921, the US Mint struck a series of "Proofs" of the 1921 Morgan dollar specifically for Zerbe. No official Morgan Proofs were minted that year, so no Proof dies were created. One set of 1921 Morgan dies was specially polished, and Zerbe's coins were all struck from this one pair. Most of the Zerbe Proofs currently extant have mirrored surfaces, but are not up to the normal Proof standard. Nobody knows for sure how many Zerbe Proofs were struck; estimates range up to 200. After striking these Proofs, the die pair entered regular circulation striking duties. This specific die pair is the only die pair which gets the "Zerbe Dies" recognition, and is known as VAM-47 for that year. Here's the example which passed thru my collection, graded MS63 Prooflike by NGC:  
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Bedrock of the Community
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I remember that coin, I almost didn't want to send it back once it came back from NGC. It is a beautiful coin and I usually would never combine those words for a 1921 Morgan but this one was hard to send back to SuperDave after we had it graded
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I got $500 for that puppy. You weren't the only one who thought that way. 
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Pillar of the Community
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SuperDave, what was the grade from NGC on that beauty?
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Quote: SuperDave, what was the grade from NGC on that beauty? Quote: Here's the example which passed thru my collection, graded MS63 Prooflike by NGC: 
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Dave, Thank You for your reply, I need to pay more attention,  Dave I am researching this Die pair. I would appreciate any input you could give on any known PUP'S, That YOU have found to be factual Thx, Mike....
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Pillar of the Community
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Dave, I appreciate your time and effort on this topic. I will ask, is it still considered " a so-called Zerbe die" coin or die if the PUP'S like the scratch above the second you in UNUM on the OBV is not there.? Also the Reverse die scratch at the lower portion of the eagle's legs from one to another, not there too .. also the "die gouge" on the eagle's left inner wing about the forth Feather from the bottom up nearest the body, not there ....  I am aware of the LDS, THE VLDS, the EDS, the VEDS and all states between, that said is it still possible for a coin to not have these PUP'S and still be from the "so-called Zerbe Proof dies". Of course I ask in your opinion, Thx, Mike.... 
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Quote: I am aware of the LDS, THE VLDS, the EDS, the VEDS and all states between, that said is it still possible for a coin to not have these PUP'S and still be from the "so-called Zerbe Proof dies". Of course I ask in your opinion, Thx, Mike....
Disabuse yourself of the term "so-called Zerbe dies." That's a term used only by SEGS, who have chosen to call every D1 Morgan by that moniker. The Zerbe dies are known pairs, V47 & V1AG. This conclusion is still sort of up in the air - it may always be - but Ash is a scholar of such standards that if he's convinced enough to put the theory forth, it has to be given serious consideration. Like any die pair, these will have an evolving lifespan. The various identifying scratches will change over time, and as the dies age some will disappear entirely. The scribbles will tend to remain in sufficient detail to probably help at any stage of the die's life, but until such time as each VAM is rendered complete in detail like this, or better:  ....sufficient to identify each little die scratch, doubling point and design flaw, it will remain an inexact science.
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Dave, Thanks for the facts and your opinion......
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Just spreading the word, man. I'll talk to anybody who will listen. 
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