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Hi all, So I ended up buying my deceased fathers coin collection from the other siblings. Now I get to play! Part-way through the task of cataloguing everything and at the back of the album are the crowns and commemorative florins. I have spent quite a bit of time trying to decide if the MCF is genuine and after many stuttering steps back and forward, I came across an article showing the specific die markers for the proof, specimen and business dies for this mintage. https://www.drakesterling.com/pub/m...y_Florin.pdfSeems my coin has the reverse marker of a vertical line dropping down from the horse's front right 'elbow', and an obverse die marker of die cracks eminating from the centre of the 5 point star on the robe, one emerging at slightly above 3 o'clock and one exiting opposite slightly above 9 o'clock. Kind of hoping that the counterfeiters haven't improved to the point where they can imitate those particular features..YET. But I'm pretty sure that you all will alert me if I am wrong. Pics below slowly improving but I need a better light source. Cheers ttkoo     The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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05/12/2022 04:30 am
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It is hard to say with yours, but I am inclined to say its real. I would say it shows most genuine features but to a lesser degree. I suggest you read this thread which explains how to spot the real thing. http://goccf.com/t/401300 |
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Quote:It is hard to say with yours, but I am inclined to say its real. I would say it shows most genuine features but to a lesser degree. I suggest you read this thread which explains how to spot the real thing. http://goccf.com/t/401300 Thanks Princetane, yes I read all of the MCF threads here earlier today. That's what had me going..."yes it is.... err... no it's not....err" Then I read the article on die markers which pretty much sealed it for me, so unless the fakers are reproducing very fine die cracks, I think it's a goodie. There is also a very minute mark between the horses rump and the tail, which is only visible at an angle with a loupe, so it doesn't show up on the pics here. Cheers
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I have seen an example of a very quality fake MC Florin, where the detail is very nearly as sharp as with the coin pictured.
The betrayal of the fake can be seen in the indistinct rider's hand on the flank of the horse. OP's coin does not display this poor feature.
If OP's coin has the same ping tone as a genuine .925 Florin, and weight is 11.31 grams, a very strong case can be made for OP's coin to be genuine.
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The betrayal of the fake can be seen in the indistinct rider's hand on the flank of the horse. OP's coin does not display this poor feature. Look Ok to me,great Coin. Yes,the vague riders hand is a feature for most fakes although later ones have fixed that to some degree. Another marker on fakes is the top of the Kings Robe does not touch the rim and also does not have the pleat at the end. Arrow shows genuine Coin. 
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12/25/2022 7:07 pm
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Thanks for all of the comments. I didn't realize this topic was still in play. I'm pretty confident this one is genuine, but to be sure I did the weight (thanks Sel), which is 11.30g on my $10 digital scale. I don't have a "genuine" sample to do a comparison ping test with. If I ever get one I'll have to come back for help as I don't know how the test works.   The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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A comparative ping tone test can be done against any other Aussie .925 fine Florin, of any date.
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A comparative ping tone test can be done against any other Aussie .925 fine Florin, of any date. Oh, ok, thanks Sel, did not know. Can you tell me how the test is physically done?
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Ohhh... I didn't know of this coin until now! Lovely.
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I am very reasonably sure that OP's coin is genuine.
To confirm:
Comparative ping tone test (done safely):
Lay down a blanket or towel, lest the coin falls off your finger.
Rest the subject coin on the tip of your finger, and gently tap the edge rim with another coin. Listen carefully for the sound pitch, and remember.
Do same procedure with a known genuine coin of the same planchet specifications and fineness. Compare the pitch sound frequency.
A less fine florin, such as a 500 fine example struck after 1946 will have a higher pitch
I have never used gloves, but with silver proof coins, they are pretty much essential to avoid fingerprinting.
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NOTE: Very high quality and deceptive fakes fake have been known to have been made from recycled coin alloys including .925 silver, but I have yet to see a fake of a Centenary Florin made from .925 fine silver.
Much more frequent with very rare gold coins and much more sophisticated tests are needed to detect them, but careful design detail comparisons can be a powerful detection tool, with at least 10x magnification by an experienced numismatist / collector or coin dealer.
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