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Need Advice For My Morgan Dollar "Mega Find" 1878 CC, 1884 S, 1893 0, & 1895 O

 
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 Posted 08/10/2022  02:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Lmhatt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently came into a Morgan find of a lifetime. As an amateur collector I know that these are some very key dates and I feel they are of good quality. I am hoping to sell these and would like to know if anyone feels that any of these coins, based on their appearance, are worth grading? I would also like to know where you feel it is best to try to sell these coins? I am having some trouble with the lighting in the photos but I hope they are clear enough to get some opinions. Thank you in advance for your time.








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 Posted 08/10/2022  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keith12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you post the weight of these coins?
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 Posted 08/10/2022  05:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HP2001PH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1893 and 1895 have the wide gap reverse, which was used only since 1900 I think.

I am afraid those might be fake.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  07:54 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reasons I think they are all counterfeit.

1878-CC only had reverse with parallel arrow feathers, yours has slanted arrow feathers.
1884-S has characteristic of arched letter bottoms on the reverse (instead of flat).
1893-O and 1895-O (as stated) have a characteristic of a die never used in those years.


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 Posted 08/10/2022  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to say , but I agree that all are counterfeits.
My question would be is why if they were genuine were they not certified?
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 Posted 08/10/2022  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First hint - they all look too good to be true.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericgreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with everyone above, all counterfeit. I hope you are able to return them.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mushy hair and eagle details on all of them. My guess all are fake.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the consensus that these are all counterfeit coins. Most definitely get your money back on these if you can.

Edit: went back after lunch to have another look. The 1893 and 1895 examples have the post-1900 reverse / wide wing gap. The CC example has the slanted arrow feather found post 1878 as has been noted. The 1884 just looks "off" and I'm calling guilty by association with the other three.

Wondering about silver content? Probably not since they look to be recent versions.

I really hope you can recoup whatever you spent!
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 Posted 08/10/2022  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fakes no doubt..

Where did you acquire these from?
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 Posted 08/10/2022  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lmhatt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I want to thank everyone for taking the time to reply. I should have known it was too good to be true. I was online looking on a "buy and tade" site when a posting just listed. I looked at it within a minute of it listing and immediarely bought them. I know nothing about Morgans and thought they were worth the price in silver alone. (so I didnt spend much) The person who listed them had stated he recently had bought a home and had "found the coins" while working on it. He also claimed to not collect coins and just wanted to sell them. I do feel he was being honest and hold no grudge and I am not hurt financially. I got excited when I started to research them and should have had doubt when I looked up info on the 1895... what are the odds of finding and purchasing one of the most sought after Morgans? Either way, lesson learned. I will list the weights anyways and they are as follows:

1878 - 26.71
1884 - 26.28
1893 - 26.69
1895 - 26.64

They do look good to an amateur like me. I will hold on to them just as nice examples....again, thank you for all of your time.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad you didn't get burned too bad. The seller was undoubtedly lying in my opinion. And be sure to label the coins as counterfeits so nobody gets screwed in the future.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are actually pretty good counterfeits, apart from the obvious design flaws on the reverses. The story of finding the coins and wanting to sell them without first checking the value is pretty implausible. Glad it wasn't too costly a learning experience.
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 Posted 08/10/2022  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lmhatt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did do some follow up reading since learning my coins are fake. I am curious as to how often counterfeits weigh as close to actual weight as mine? The article claimed that the weight of most fakes ranged from 18 to 22 grams. Of course I am going to continue to do a bit more reading on Morgans but eventually I will give up the little hope I still hold inside. Also, if the seller was lying, I would think he would have listed the coins individually and asked for alot more per coin? I got all four for the price of a higher grade non-key date coin. No matter, if the coins are worthless, he did make out at my expense. And if the coins are real silver, I figured I lost $20. I lose way more than that in just one casino trip. #9786;#65039;
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The fact that you believe he was being honest is extremely concerning.


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 Posted 08/10/2022  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fact that he was willing to sell them for not much over silver melt means that they are unlikely to be silver. It's much easier and safer for him to sell these at a low price and make a profit, than to risk more scrutiny up front by selling them at high prices. Not to mention avoiding people coming after him for refunds for selling fakes. In case you're still holding out hope, there is zero chance the 1878, 1893, and 1895 are genuine because the reverse designs are incompatible with those dates.
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