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My New Add 1882 10 Cents.

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 Posted 10/09/2022  7:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Latest add to my collection; anyone have info on when this may have been "coined"?


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 Posted 10/09/2022  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Recent Chinese counterfeit
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 10/09/2022  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you; I can't find other images like mine and would appreciate your help with images of another Chinese one!
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 Posted 10/09/2022  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 10/09/2022  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
H is Wrong , numerals are wrong ,
colour is wrong , obverse is wrong .
Probably not even silver .
Is as stated recent counterfeit from the
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 Posted 10/10/2022  12:47 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 8s in the date are a give away.
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 Posted 10/10/2022  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Chinese also haven't quite got down the bridge of her nose and eye socket. When they started out, there was NO bridge of the nose, just a blank, but they've worked on getting it better, but a fake is a fake.
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 Posted 10/10/2022  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wallyb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's helpful to ALL of us that when you give an opinion you follow with a few comments as to why you arrived at that opinion.
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 Posted 10/10/2022  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the responses; I haven't been able to find another like example in my internet searches, which I am pretty good at...

As a researcher and writer of articles on counterfeits I always try to find additional samples and possible source for the fakes- just stating it is a "Chinese fake/ counterfeit" is not helpful!

This particular example was in a recent Brussels auction.


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 Posted 10/10/2022  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember also that Chinese fakes are typically made to fool the majority of people (like for the unscrupulous to sell on ebay). So most of the fakes the Chinese make have what experienced collectors see as obvious problems.
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 Posted 10/10/2022  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Earle42; I have had a few articles published in a few venues on counterfeits but mostly US; I also have a collection of pieces certified genuine by all 4 of the major TPGs. One is an 1882 GB counterfeit shilling which I learned a bit about. I have no foundation for Canadian pieces though which is why I posted here along with a couple of other forums. This pieces does not look like current Chinese to my eyes.

Thanks again, Jack D. Young
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 Posted 10/10/2022  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hobbs9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FYI - In case you are unaware, Jack Young (burfle23) is one of the premier Counterfeit Detection experts in early US Large Cents, bust dollars, and other US Federal coinage issues. His findings are published in venues like Coin Week.
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 Posted 10/10/2022  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Burfle23 ... You need to get in contact with Mike Marshal up here in Canada. HE is the Canadian expert on fakes of Canadian coinage, and ESPECIALLY the Chinese. His moniker here on CCF is nickelsguy.
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 Posted 10/10/2022  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I haven't been able to find another like example in my internet searches, which I am pretty good at...
You should change that to "not very good at", you didn't even bother to look close by, there are pics right here on this forum. I'm not going to do your legwork for you. I replied "why" a while back because I was pretty sure you had found other images ( it's easy on this site and elsewhere) and wondered about your motivation.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 10/10/2022  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the point of posting that you're going to go out of your way to not help somebody?
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 Posted 10/10/2022  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Because this particular OP must know about the primary source of Chinese counterfeits and how to navigate their site. I'm curious as to why he wants others to provide pics.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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