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Not necessarily a counterfeit Wade. These were produced in silver too. Their status is somewhat.. uncertain. Some consider them pattern coins (in this case for a Unite), but they are also recorded as medals (in this case MI 374/269). Description given there is as follows:
269. Charles I. Pattern?
Bust of Charles I., I., hair long, in falling lace collar, armour, and scarf across the breast. Leg. carolvs . d'. g'.
mag' . brit' . fr' . et' . hi' . rex. in. hi. Fleur-de-lis.
Rev. Royal arms in garnished oval shield, crowned, between c r, both crowned. Leg. florent . concordia . regna. (Kingdoms flourish by concord.) m.m. Fleur-de-lis.
1- 1. See Snelling's Patterns, PL vi. fig. 4. MB. AU. struck (Wt. 135-2 grs.), AR. cast. This piece is very rare ; it can scarcely be doubted that it was intended as a pattern for a broad, though the relief is higher than usual for a coin. It was executed by Thomas Rawlins.
Weight would help. And if you have any way of checking if it's silver? Where did you obtain it, if I may ask?
If genuine, it'll be worth something. Of course, being quite rare, likelihood is it's a copy. Still a nice thing though!
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11/28/2022 08:50 am
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The weight is 4.3 grams and 30mm in size. The thickness is about 1.4mm. I found it at a garage sale along with two Roman coins. It appears to have a tiny piercing at the top that is very small and goes through to the other side. I listed the Cappadocia, Caesarea. Domitian. 81-96. AR Didrachm on this forum and got a thumbs up. I haven't listed the second Roman coin yet for opinions.
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11/28/2022 4:45 pm
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The weight is about right. The fact it was in a garage sale makes me somewhat suspicious since, if it was the real deal, it'd be worth several hundred dollars. The piercing would reduce that a bit, but it's not too noticeable. Unfortunately it's not really possible to be certain from a photograph. Might be worth getting it checked out? Great find anyway!
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By saying it was from a garage sale, I meant to say it came from a storage locker buyer that sold it to me at a garage sale, so it may have been part of a bigger collection. I also got 2 Roman coins at the same sale that are genuine. I think if someone made a copy, they would not want to try to pierce it and ruin the value if it was made to deceive. Also would it be possible to pierce a cast coin and have the reverse effect be a mushed circle? I would think a cast coin would chip at the opposite side of the hole. Thank you for your help.
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11/29/2022 8:49 pm
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After examining the photo of the Classical Numismatic Group, LLC Auction 103 coin photos of both sides, I have compared the dots and other tiny rim details to my coin under magnification, and the tiny details match up perfectly. If my coin was a copy, how would it be possible to make an exact detailed copy unless the person had the original coin in hand? I am showing photos of both coins. Notice the exact line of connected dots above the A and the dot area above the R. Also look at the small round dent on the letter E. both are identical. It appears to me that this could only happen if both coins were struck from the same die.The same tiny details on the obverse of both coins match also. The actual gold coin pattern has the exact same rim and other die details. I am attaching a photo of the genuine gold coin.    Edited by Wade16
11/30/2022 01:27 am
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The silver medals were cast, the gold, struck. But yes, it's looking very promising Wade. Can I be cheeky and ask how much you paid for it? Such things are scarce and the market for them, particularly in the US, is still quite small but I wouldn't be too surprised at a price tag of $1000 in this condition. https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.asp...10000&PAGE=1 |
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Tom,
I got the coin along with 2 Roman coins for $10. Can you imagine that? I know that sounds insane now, but people come across things in storage lockers and they have no idea what value they may have. They take them to the local flea market garage sale and that is where I have found many great items for almost nothing. I collect coins and militaria items. I found a US Navy Seal Team Ballistic Helmet that sells new for $1400. I got it for $50 because the seller had no knowledge of military items. I would not dismiss the coin as a fake just because it came from a garage sale.
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I think I would spend the money, to get this coin authenticated
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Keith,
I may have to do that. My field of knowledge is in American coins. I have collected them most of my 76 years, but foreign and ancient coins are not something I have much knowledge of. I still get a thrill when I find a treasure. It keeps me looking for more!!
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I finally got the coin graded and certified. Here is the results.   |
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I finally got the coin graded and certified. Here is the results. Excellent! 
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