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1999 LMC Is This PMD Or An Error

 
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 Posted 01/29/2023  11:30 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TwistedTrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Under close examination I see scrapes across Lincoln's cheek and neck area. What do you suppose the cause is?







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 Posted 01/29/2023  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm they look a bit like roller lines, but I'm not sure. I'm interested to see what others think.
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 Posted 01/29/2023  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is an area where die clashes happen:



Also note the obverse die is slight out of alignment. (MAD Mis-Aligned Die) Making the clash mark even closer to the affected area during a clash. Just a die event.
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 Posted 01/29/2023  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds like a good call from Dr. coop.
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 Posted 01/29/2023  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not seeing a die clash. Roller lines is the first thing that came to my mind.
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 Posted 01/29/2023  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I'm not completely on board with this being a die clash either as these lines are on a part of the design which would be way down in the die. Don't we predominantly see clashes on the flat fields surrounding design elements?
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 Posted 01/29/2023  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvering to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OT question for all. Is the Obverse off enough to be considered "Off Center"?
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@twi, yes good catch. Since only one side is off center, this is called a mis-aligned die. Normally, we advise folks that there is only a numismatic premium when some of the letters start to fall off the edge. Of course keep this one if you want until a more dramatic example comes along.
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 Posted 01/29/2023  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not an off center. Note the reverse is normal. It is a MAD coin, but not enough to be collectable. (MAD = Mis-Aligned-Die) The setup of the location of the obverse die was not exactly over the reverse die. Thus the rim is not formed correctly on only one side of the coin. They are collectable when the devices are seen falling over the edge of the coin:

How can you tell when they are collectable? When the devices fall over the edge, there will be a weakness seen on the opposite side of the coin:







CoopHome: What is a MAD coin? How does this happen? miss-alignment of one die will make the obverse/reverse not over the opposite die. thus one side is affected. this can happen on both dies, but the miss alignments will be different than an off center strike. (rare)
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OT question for all. Is the Obverse off enough to be considered "Off Center"?

The reverse is centered, making the obverse a MAD Strike.
as for the lines, I'm with the others for them being roller lines.
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 Posted 01/29/2023  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvering to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info on my "Off Center" question!
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 Posted 01/29/2023  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwistedTrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys for all the responses! The coin is a little MAD. Does that account for the lines across the face and neck area?
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 Posted 01/30/2023  04:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No,two different things.
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 Posted 01/30/2023  06:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with John1 on of both his assessments.
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 Posted 01/30/2023  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am with John1 as well.
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 Posted 01/30/2023  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwistedTrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess that makes it a mad roller. Thanks to all for the help!
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