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PCGS graded my 1997 Lincoln cent as MS67 RD. When I sent it in I was think MS 69( RD and the worst was a 68. Is it me that I do not know how to grade coins. There was no hair line scratches on obverse with only a small slight carbon spot on the second arch from the right on Lincoln's memorial. Liberty is just reflecting wrong. The whole coin is a strong strike.That is all. I am calling them for an explanation MS 67 RD is $38 dollars. MS 69 RD is $6,000 .  *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Edited by SaturnD51
03/22/2023 1:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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For all intents & purposes.... its a pretty nice coin. That being said, the expectations of being returned as MS69, IMO would have been a stretch considering I believe I'm seeing a few (minute) dings on both obverse & reverse rims, plus the carbon spots in the 10th bay & under the T in cent.
Edited by coin rejector
03/22/2023 1:20 pm
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I see at least six carbon spots, and perhaps some contact marks above LIBERTY.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think you did pretty well getting a 67.
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67 looks reasonable to me, higher grades than that require fewer blemishes
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67 seems right.
It's a nice coin but you won't find anyone to agree with your assessment of 69
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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03/22/2023 2:44 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yes, I'm on board with MS67.
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PCGS told me they were having troubles with the photography of coins and photos were not coming out as they should. They shut down the true view imaging because of this and I finally got my photos. today. Around Liberty on the coin is flawless but the photos show differently. Looks like there are blemishes on the coin. I spotted two very very slight hairlines on the coin and there is a carbon spot on the reverse. I just see differently from PCGS. All in all this does not make it to me a 67. I went on ebay and say ms67 that are horrific compared to mine. I guess I have to quit grading. Thanks you all for feed back. I just have to get a better loupe and go to classes on grading.lol
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@Saturn.... Trust me, I get it. Awhile back, I pulled nearly a full roll of exceptional condition '74 D's out of a bank box. In my biased opinion, I believe a couple of them (potentially) have a shot at.... 67, 67+ or "wishfully" a 68. Unfortunately my photography skills are in dire need of improvement, or I would have already posted pics in the grading section of the forum for the pros to give their opinions. Having a top-pop slabbed coin (a coin I actually found myself) is on my bucket-list.
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I'm thinking that the carbon spots didn't make the grade. Also I see a few very tiny rim dings. It's a very nice cent none-the-less.
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03/22/2023 4:30 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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first you can't grade or assess using TV photos. second when you get above 67 every minute flaw counts including any coloration changes in the fields which we can't assess here. just the carbon spots on the reverse would keep it out of 68 and 69 is pretty much a pipe dream and a lottery hit to find one. so 67 is the right grade. could it qualify for CAC bean? we would have to see in hand photos rather than these to determine that
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To hit the 69 grades you have to slip a few hundred under it for the graders - or at least take them to dinner and a bar. They intentionally keep the highest grades down. That's only for the high rollers.  Here's what I see: - Some obverse field disturbances above LIBERTY. - The cheek and beard have strike weakness, the planchet lines are clearly visible. - The reverse carbon spot is very distracting on an otherwise perfectly struck reverse. Solely based on these pictures, I like this coin as a 68 myself. Other than some light planchet lines and the spot it's a beauty. The other 67's I looked at paled in comparison IMO. You need to have a conversation with CC member grospoison. He has even more sob stories with PCGS.  Lincoln Cent Lover!
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I went on ebay and say ms67 that are horrific compared to mine. I guess I have to quit grading. This is how you learn - don't give up.  Just remember though, the tuition at the school of PCGS is high. 
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first you can't grade or assess using TV photos. second when you get above 67 every minute flaw counts including any coloration changes in the fields which we can't assess here.  A TPG grader friend showed me a what I thought to be a completely flawless coin. He pointed out one tiny device nick around 0.1 mm long and said he'd 69 it for that. I told him he's an &$^#*#*. 
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03/22/2023 9:11 pm
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