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1855 Braided Hair Cent - Acetone / Verdicare Experiment

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 Posted 09/17/2023  7:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Got this coin very cheaply and it was one I wanted with the big second 5 - N6/R3. I decided to try acetone followed by Verdicare for the obverse stain. Frankly, I'm sorry I didn't just leave it alone. The acetone accentuated verdigris and the Verdicare didn't help. 24 hour soak in acetone followed by a 24 hour soak in verdicare - obverse only. First two pics - coin as received, second two - after acetone, third obverse only after Verdicare. What gives?




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 Posted 09/17/2023  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good effort, but it doesn't always work out. Still VF/EF details (ED).
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 Posted 09/17/2023  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking it's around EF40, which is what it cost me.
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 Posted 09/17/2023  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know many disagree, but I never use acetone on copper unless the coin surface is unrestorable. Silver, yes ... I've had good results. Copper, no. It often bleaches the color. .
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 Posted 09/17/2023  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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third obverse only after Verdicare. What gives?

did it get there in 24 hrs?
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 Posted 09/18/2023  12:42 am  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Acetone dehydrates the surface. Verdicare rehydrates it. Maybe that combination is not the most effective?

From my research, oils on copper is a good thing so I tend to stay away from washing the surfaces using acetone on copper unless I need a blank slate.

I would probably try a longer term rehydration in xylene.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, stay away from acetone and copper.

I wouldn't pay xf price for this coin.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  06:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree it would have been better to leave it alone. At his point, I might try a 4-6 hour soak in mineral oil to deepen the color a bit. Or just put it just aside for a few years in an airtite and see if it gets better on its own.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
tough call. its always a craps shoot when attempting to remove verdigris. you have no idea whats under it. sometimes it works sometimes you uncover things that make you say "why did I do that". the acetone did what was expected. it removed most of the organics. you could almost see what the results were going to be when looking at the original obv with the spotting under the toning you see there plus the fact that the verdigris at K7 was quite large and probably would leave something after the soak.

great learning experience on this one. add that to your knowledge base. before cleaning I would have asked here what the groups thought on doing that would be
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 Posted 09/18/2023  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On review, I have to admit I liked it better before it was treated.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add luvmyCAM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This stuff has never let me down, especially on copper. Classic Coin Conditoner is good stuff. Won't work miracles but dang near. No straight grade coin I've ever sent in after a good oiling came back with issues. Say what you want but this stuff works and it works good. This bottle lasted 6 years.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, luvmyCAM. I may give it a shot. I'm into this coin at $40, so it's not a bad one to experiment on a bit. I appreciate the comments - good food for thought. I've seen some people say they give every coin they buy raw an acetone soak, but my results have been anything but predictable.
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 Posted 09/23/2023  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I wanted to update this thread. I figured I was in the experiment mode with this coin so I bought a bottle of Classic Coin Conditioner as luvmyCAM suggested. Used as directed. I'll let you all judge the results.



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 Posted 09/23/2023  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definite improvement from before.
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 Posted 09/23/2023  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, looks better. Was hoping to see more improvement on the green spot on the obverse. Are you going to stop here, or continue experimenting?
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 Posted 09/24/2023  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know what else I could do to this coin at this point. Long path to get where it is now, but I think the coin has benefitted. Obverse stain at K8 is less noticeable. Overall, the surface of the coin looks better than it did when I received it. I wonder if it would still details, but I'll never bother to TPG it - just not worth the expense.

As far as grade goes, I think this has to be an EF45. Pictures are from an 1855 NGC slabbed as EF45. Mine has more detail than this one.

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