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I recently decided to add Peace & Morgan dollars and ASEs to my Type Collection I came up with a short list of ASEs but would be interested in what others think To me a type set would include the following: 1986 Bullion Coin (Key Date) 2021 Type 1 (Key Date) 2021 Type 2 (Key Date) 2024 Bullion with Star Privy Then any year of the following: Uncirculated Proof Reverse Proof Enhanced Uncirculated Enhanced Reverse Proof Plus the 2020 v75 Privy coin and any other future mint marked coins For a large portion of my set I went with the coins from 2013 which includes the 2 coin West Point 75th Anniversary Set It has the Uncirculated, Proof, Reverse Proof and Enhanced Uncirculated versions The 2019 2 Nations set has an Enhanced Reverse Proof and the 2020 v75 is the only current mint marked ASE with a Privy So far, I have obtained all of my must have bullion coins and included a 2013 (W) just because I plan to get the other 4 from that year I have the 2013-W Uncirculated, 2013-W Proof and 2019 Pride of 2 Nations set in transit and I'm shopping for the 2013 West Point set today If I don't find the 2020 v75 at a coin show next weekend have to try and get lucky with buying one from ebay Edited by Boba Debt
03/09/2025 4:59 pm
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@boba, I think that you should review the thread linked below which was started a couple months ago: http://goccf.com/t/475258 "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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I have been following that topic closely
But that topic is about a COMPLETE set whereas this one is about a TYPE set
Seemed to me like that difference in the subject matter is enough that it would warrant a separate topic
But if you don't think this shouldn't be a separate topic, delete it
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But that topic is about a COMPLETE set whereas this one is about a TYPE set Ok fair pushback. Let's keep both threads open, but I may slightly change your title to make the difference a little more clear. Thx.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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For a large portion of my set I went with the 2013 West Point 75th Anniversary Set
I'm getting fairly well confused here. I think you mean the 2011 25th Anniversary set. That's a 5 coin set, the only one that's that large. The 2012 and 2013 sets are both 2 coin sets. For a type set, wouldn't you want to include an Uncirculated and Proof 2016? That set would also get you a bullion, unless you really wanted an '86. You'd also then have the somewhat scarcer 2011S Uncirculated, only one that's not a W. Sorry for all the edits, I'd also look at that 2021 Limited Edition Silver Proof set for the Type 1 and 2 proofs and the 2021 Designer Set for type 1 and 2 reverse proofs.
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03/09/2025 4:14 pm
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I did mis-speak in my original post and I fixed it. I'm not really sure of where I fit as collector because I am not a completest and I don't really know what makes a collection a 'true" TYPE collection
Which is why I posted this topic, to understand other collectors point of view and get a better understanding of the coin collecting hobby
I should clarify my decision to go with the coins from 2013
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 2013 there was 5 different types of the 6 ASEs issued and 5 were minted at West Point
2 Bullion ASEs (W / S)
Uncirculated
Proof
Reverse Proof
Enhanced Uncirculated
I like the West Point coins, so to me, getting 4 examples of West Point ASEs from a single year was appealing
I guess some type collectors go with the first occurrence of a different type but that is not part of my selection process, neither is scarcity
I'm also not firm on only having only one example of a specific type, for instance I have a 1986 Bullion because that is when it all started but I also choose to get a 2021 type 1 because that was the last year they were issued
I also got a 2013(W) Bullion for no reason than to have all the West Point ASEs for that year
I am curious as to why you asked me about including an Uncirculated and Proof 2016
Is there something different about those that I am not aware of?
I will have a 2013-W Type 1 Proof and have considered getting a Type 2 Proof since the only one I want so far is the 2020 v75 which obviously has the Privy mark
Do some Type collectors consider the different mint marks as different types - such as the 2013-W and 2013-S?
So many questions.........
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03/09/2025 6:44 pm
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I am curious as to why you asked me about including an Uncirculated and Proof 2016
Is there something different about those that I am not aware of? I'll try to get to a few of your questions soon. To cut to the chase on the 2016, that was the 30th Anniversary, for some reason the mint thought that was a good reason to create the incused lettered edge ASEs. This was on the proof and Uncirculated only, not the bullion, and there were no reeded edge proof or Uncirculated that year, only the lettered edge. There was no "set" of the 2 together, you may see them put into a 2012 or 2013 OGP box, but the mint never sold them together.
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03/09/2025 5:24 pm
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I'm trying to get into what you are trying to do. You can always set your own parameters for what you want to collect.
I understand the 2013 thing you have going on. You like Ws and it's the only year for the Enhanced Uncirculated finish and first year for the W Reverse Proof, you can get both in that set.
To me a bullion is a bullion, 1986 and 2021 make sense. Myself I'd just get them raw and forget the implied mint mark.
A 2019 W ERP makes sense as being easily/cheaply obtained.
I would argue both the lettered edge ASEs would be in a type set and aren't especially hard to get.
The Designer Set was how you got the reverse proof type 2, but should be able to find it separately.
The privy ASEs are up to interpretation on it that's a type. If you go for the V75, then in my mind that same collector is including privys, so why not the star privy? (Plus now that they've cooled off, they aren't much more raw than any other current bullion)
Let me know if I skipped any. Oh just the type 2 bullion, Uncirculated and Proof, those shouldn't be hard to get.
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03/09/2025 5:41 pm
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Do some Type collectors consider the different mint marks as different types - such as the 2013-W and 2013-S? The only type set I've done is a 20th Century type set. I would, with limited qualifications, say that no, mint marks don't matter. If you want one of every example say of a wheat back cent, it doesn't matter what year or mint mark it is. In my set, there is a spot for a steel cent, and a shell case (although that was a bit of a ruse), and then for a memorial back. Significant differences only. There was no spot for a VDB. Even that wouldn't have been a huge deal as there's nothing in a type set that would make you get an S-VDB. Follow me?
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03/09/2025 5:51 pm
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I will have a 2013-W Type 1 Proof and have considered getting a Type 2 Proof since the only one I want so far is the 2024 v75 which obviously has the Privy mark Some kind of flaw in the matrix here. The V75 Privy was in 2020, it was the 75th anniversary of the end of WW2. It is a proof and so far the only proof ASE with a Privy, probably more to follow next year. The star privy is a bullion. I would lean towards saying a type set should have the Privy ASEs, but that's up to you. I'd also say you need a non Privy IF you consider the Privy ASEs it's own type. "A type is a type" in that case, in my own mind, I can't see how you then justify a non Privy as "not a type". I think you may have been thinking of the 2024 Star Privy. Again if you start the thought that a privy as a type coin, then you need a type 2 non privy and the star privy (or whatever else they come out with)
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03/09/2025 6:03 pm
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Gilly, I REALLY appreciate all your insight, even if you costing me money  Quote:
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To cut to the chase on the 2016, that was the 30th Anniversary, for some reason the mint thought that was a good reason to create the incused lettered edge ASEs. This was on the proof and Uncirculated only, not the bullion, and there were no reeded edge proof or Uncirculated that year, only the lettered edge. There was no "set" of the 2 together, you may see them put into a 2012 or 2013 OGP box, but the mint never sold them together. Good info on the 2016 set, now I have to decide if that is something I want to add to my collection. I probably will but it would be low priority for me, probably after I get the Marine, Army and Navy Privy marked ASEs this year Quote:
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The (2021) Designer Set was how you got the reverse proof type 2, but should be able to find it separately. I have the 2021 bullion Type 1 and Typ2 and might wait until after 2026 to see if there is any large Type 2 sets that come out for a single year to get a non-privy marked Type 2 Proof Edited by Boba Debt
03/09/2025 7:01 pm
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The privy ASEs are up to interpretation on it that's a type. If you go for the V75, then in my mind that same collector is including privys Yes, I will probably get them all Quote:
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so why not the star privy? I have the 2024 Bullion Star Privy, was there one released with a mint mark? Quote:
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The V75 Privy was in 2020 I miss typed, I meant the 2020 Star Privy Bullion
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03/09/2025 7:57 pm
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The only type set I've done is a 20th Century type set. I have an Intercept Shield Type Album full of decent examples of every denomination but in the context of this topic I didn't know if ASE Type collectors (if any others exsist) consided the mint mark to be a different type
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03/09/2025 7:17 pm
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I won't even quote on this, just winging it here: I mentioned the Designer Set, again, because to date it is the only reverse proof type 2, not talking bullion. The type 1 rp was done several times. You mentioned a 2012 Star Privy or something? Let me set you straight. There have only been 2 privy mark ASEs. 2020W V75 Proof 2024 Star Privy bullion, no mint mark, but came from Philly. But again no mint mark. As far as a type set, my opinion, only, is you'd want those 2 lettered edge, important "type". You mentioned good tip on the 2016 "set". Again there was no set with the proof and Uncirculated lettered edge. Any set the mint issued had the lettered edge in it, and there were several, but make no mistake, you may SEE people selling them in a 2012 or 2013 OGP, but They did that, not the mint. Usually best is to buy them separately in the clamshell. Edited by Gilly
03/09/2025 7:32 pm
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I'm hoping that they pick a year and issue a variety finishes to get a type 2 Reverse Proof, I might have to wait till 2036 but you never know I didn't think there was a 2016 "set" I was just referring them to that way as a generic set of coins, look like I can get them for around $150 Well, I got my first CAPS Binder page all mapped out, looks like I'll be needing at least one more page  Edited by Boba Debt
03/09/2025 10:02 pm
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Man you're using uncirculated instead of bullion and one of them at least said both.
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