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If someone at the mint intentionally makes error coins will that decrease the coins value compared to if it had been accidental? I know that proving such a thing is impossible, I'm just curious if you guys would think less of the coin or not
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Do you pos the mint would actually confirm this?
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Since we cannot determine if it was intentional or not, I don't think that the value would drop.
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Very broad subject, and as stated above has/would the US Mint ever admit to a falsely created error on a coin by a mint employee.?
You could read up on the history of "Mule Coins". These can sell for $100,000 or more.
There has been noted suspicions about various versions found, but alot have been readily graded by the various TPG companies.
It's a grey area for sure. If the coin has been graded by a quality TPG, that gives it legitimacy right? or does it?
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It does not matter to some collectors if it's an "assisted error". This sale from Heritage is proof of that:
Dime Struck on a Nail -- MS65 PCGS.... https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/und.../1231-3496.s
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Here's an article on Mike Byers' website which has a brief discussion on intentional errors. It includes a quote by the Managing Editor of Coin World: "Obviously, the marketplace accepts these coins, and some collectors are happy paying thousands of dollars for coins that show every indication of having been created through illegal means."
https://mikebyers.com/31862448.html
There is a link in that article for a very interesting interview of Fred Weinberg by Seth Chandler.

Here's another interesting error that I ran across that I have a hard time explaining other than being intentionally made:


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Just a thought - is it an "error" if it was intentional?
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Just a thought - is it an "error" if it was intentional?


Good question Hondo.
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It seems funny that PCGS was compelled to designate a a grade to the Dime on the Nail!
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Personally as a collector, I see these intentional mint errors same way as post mint damage. That 1972 Ike dollar is definitely post mint damage in my book and although very interesting, I wouldn't pay extra for something that looks like a vise job lol
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It seems funny that PCGS was compelled to designate a a grade to the Dime on the Nail!

I couldn't find the page for grading nails on the PCGS Photograde site.
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Here's another interesting error that I ran across that I have a hard time explaining other than being intentionally made:
I cannot have it, but I want it.
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By the way, the nail sold for over $42K...
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I think that, almost by definition, a mint error cannot be intentional. But as anything that comes out of the mint seems to attract collector interest, that seems to be unimportant from a commercial perspective. Intentional "errors" have the potential to be more spectacular, not being limited by the normal processes in a mint.

A number of errors that came out of the Royal Canadian Mint were suspected of being deliberate.
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I cannot have it, but I want it.

I figured you'd love that one, jbuck!
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