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What Value Requires A Home Safe?

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Title pretty much sums it up, but what approximate amount of total value would you recommend getting a safe for? My total collection is not even at $2k, but over 25% of that resides in my 7070. I like the look of the Danscos lined up on a shelf, but I'm wondering when I should buy a safe.

So I ask you CCF, what value did your collection get to, before you bought a safe?

Thoughts?
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 Posted 07/21/2009  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cownas22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would go ahead and buy a safe, it doesn't have to be a largge one, but I would suggest one highly, one with a decent fire and water rating then bolt it securly to a floor beam. I would place it in a non obvious spot. These days you can't be too careful.
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 Posted 07/21/2009  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It all depends on what you safe budget is and the physical size of your collection. You can purchase a small floor or suitcase safe for less than $100, the primary disadvantages being that they hold very little and could potentially be carried off. At the other end are large floor safes that can be bolted to the floor or hidden in a false wall. Gun safes tend to be the largest and most economical type but they can cost $500-1000 and take up large amounts of space(in addition to possibly needing to reinforce floor joists to support the weight) and full fire rating safes cost multiple thousands of dollars and are close to the same size as gun safes.

I am in a situation now where, living in an apartment, I do not have space for a gun safe but I will be purchasing one as soon as I buy a house. However, the current sheer size of my collection rules out using small size safes so I have to make do with more novel methods of obfuscation.
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 Posted 07/21/2009  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Davest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it was on this forum that I read buying a safe is a perfectly good idea if you don't plan on being home when you get robbed. If you are and they bad guys want your stuff, they'll make you open the safe.............or else.

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they'll make you open the safe
If they know you have one.

The same criminal crazy enough to do that is one fried brain cell from holding your family hostage and making you drive to the bank and empty out your SDB; if they know you have one.

The idea here is to not advertise what you have or where you have it.
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I think a safe is a good idea for anything you dont want to lose regardless of the dollar amount, but hide it out of plain view. I had a friend last week have there whole safe hauled off while the were not at home.
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When my collection pushed over around $1000, I got a safe. Especially to protect coins more difficult to replace. I can re-buy US Mint sets, but replacing my Lincoln collection is much tougher.

I think the key is defense in depth. You want to make your home difficult to break in to. You want to make your safe hard to find. When found, you want to make it hard to open or to carry off. Time is your friend - most criminals want to get in and out quickly without encountering anyone.

In a home invasion situation, you give them what they want - if they get you in a position of disadvantage. But that is still a pretty rare case and you can make it less likely by taking steps to minimize the chance of being put in a position of disadvantage. Lock doors and windows. Keep the garage doors shut. Watch your surroundings (especially when entering/exiting/answering doors). Be willing to take immediate and decisive action if necessary (run away, call police QUICKLY, shoot - whatever is suitable).

In all cases (at home or not), you want to be a difficult target not worth the risk.
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If your collection is at 2K, it's time for a safe, perhaps overdue. OR put your collection in a safe deposit box.
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I put a rider on my insurance policy that covers up to $3K in coins. It was about $5/month and could be an alternative for you.
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I have one of those small carry safes. It's now filled with rolled pennies. The good stuff goes in some fake books on the bookshelf. I have literally thousands of books. I have an extensive military collection, my daughter is pursuing her Masters in English/Literature. She might get a shock of she tries to reference a couple of her 'books'.

It was actually quite difficult, I don't even dog-ear pages; but some authors are only good for training puppies.
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If you have a collection that is worth keeping safe from humidity and heat and worth a few times the cost of a safe I would say, a safe is a good idea.
I have a safe that is bolted to the floor. The only worry I have is heat melting plastic to the coins. In a total loss, I don't think it would be in the hottest part of the fire. I just try not to have fire hazards around the house. I also have almost all my firearms and ammo in another large safe with some numismatic stuff in a drawer inside it. My combinations are in a safe deposit box with my will and other important papers at the bank and in my head.
( which is not a safe place sometimes )
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Every time a thread like this arises, I put in my opinion. Make your collection not "obvious" and it is much safer than a safe. Thieves look for safes, they do not look for something like a false drier. Not saying I have a false drier, but boy would that make a "safe" place to hide the coins. Of course it won't protect from fire. I've looked into insurance and it was a mess. As someone said, $5 per month for $3k coverage. My collection is modest at best, I just checked and according to my excel file, I have spent slightly less than $15,000 on it (though I did not record prices for the first few years I collected). Mostly petty junk, but a lot of it. I tried insurance and was told that I would need photos of everything to even consider insurance. My collection includes about 34,000 coins (again, according to my excel file). Insurance is out. My only hope is to live in one of these stupid houses out in the suburbs that looks exactly like everyone else's and try to not let my place stand out. Of course, with 34,000 coins I have the other protection of time, it takes a LONG time to move this collection and no thief is going to either know which items are more valuable or take the time to steal all of it. Hopefully, if I do have a thief, they do not know coins and steal a huge pile of worthless junk.
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Here's my question to you, do YOU value your collection regardless of it's monetary value? If so then it's time to get a safe. Get the biggest one you can afford, it will come in handy for a lot more things besides coins, make sure it has a good fire rating and is at least water resistant if not actually water proof. And don't forget to BOLT IT DOWN. You could put it on a charge card and pay it off monthly, that way you could get a better one then if you had to pay for it all at once. Hope this info helps you out some.
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Well have the safe but now working at trying to make the one room in the house hidden so it looks like it is not there.
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 Posted 07/22/2009  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As noted this comes up all the time. And I too always say the same thing. Depending on where you live, how many and who you have over to visit, relatives that know you have a safe, etc. Then too if your in a fairly populated area and a safe is delivered that is large enough to have to have it delivered, people for miles around would probably know this. When you have people over they have a tendency to snoop around. Unless your safe is really consealed, they will see it. Not that those will rob you, but they, as all people do, tell stories that constantly change. First you have a small safe with only a few thousand but eventually you have a large safe bolted to the walls and floors with possibly millions in jewlery, Gold, coins, guns and on and on and on. And when the crooks do come, that safe will be what they heard about and the gun to your head will open it.
If you do get a safe, have it delivered at night, don't tell anyone, don't have any more people over for anything.
And that bolted to the floor/wall stuff is just a joke to most professional crooks. One neighbor HAD safe that was bolted to the floors and walls. When his house was robbed they took that safe. They also took his burglar alarm system.
And remember that a safe is a sort of oven when it comes to a fire. The stuff in there may not get burned but if the fire is sufficient, the safe gets hot and everything inside starts to melt. Look at all the plastic your proof, uncirc sets are in. Look at the coins in slabs. Imagine all that plastic and cardboard melting all over your coins.
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I would personally get a safe if you have over $5000, but I waited a lot longer for some reason. A small one will do if you only plan to collect a small quantity of coins, but if not, better to get a larger one than you need now. I think I will need a larger one soon, lol.
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