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 Posted 09/12/2011  1:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nannu80 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

Hi, I've inherited several roman coins, but I'm having a hard time trying to identify them. I've been looking in several catalogs and found some similar coins, but I can't be really sure that they are the ones I have. I would really appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks in advanced.

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 Posted 09/12/2011  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are some very nice coins. I will try to attribute, but the weight and size would be helpful.

1. Augustus Denarius RIC 208;
OBV: CAESAR AVGVSTVS DIVI F PATER PATRIAE - Laureate head right
REV: AVGVSTIFCOSDESIGPRINCIVVENT Exe: CLCAESARES - Gaius and Lucius standing front, each with a hand resting on a round shield, a spear, and in field above, a simpulum left and lituus right

This one was the easiest since most collectors readily identify this coin. Its highly desired and yours is in excellent condition.

I have some errands to run, but when I return if the others haven't already been attributed, I will get right on it.

JW
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 Posted 09/12/2011  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let me do the easy one first which is the last coin you posted. It is a Germanicus AE As struck under Caligula: RIC 35 (Caligula), BMC 49, S 1821:

OBV: GERMANICVS CAESAR TI AVGVST F DIVI AVG N - Bare head of Germanicus left.
REV: C CAESAR AVG GERMANICVS PON M TRP OT - Legend around large S C. 37-38 (Rome).

I'll get back to you on the other two

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 Posted 09/12/2011  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The second coin I believe is a Lucius Verus Sestertius RIC 1471, struck 166-167 AD.

OBV: L VERVS AVG ARM PARTH MAX, laureate head right
REV: TR POT VIII IMP IIII COS III S-C, Victory advancing left, holding wreath and palm

One more to go.

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 Posted 09/12/2011  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not 100%, but I believe the third coin is a Septimius Severus Sestertius RIC RIC 656, struck at Rome 193 AD:

OBV: SEPT SEV PERT AVG, laureate head right
REV: VICT AVG TR P COS S-C, Victory advancing left with wreath & palm.

Sorry it took so long, but the wife seems to think she can place demands on my time . I hope I have helped some. If you care to check out the attributions, go to Wildwinds.com.

Regards,

JW
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 Posted 09/12/2011  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nannu80 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Hi JW, I really really appreciate your help. I will check out the site you mentioned and keep investigating about this matter. Truth is I'm a little lost with it.
Another doubt I have is, do you where (if you don't know yourself), where could I find someone who's able to give me an estimated of how much they worth? Thanks again.

Nadia
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 Posted 09/12/2011  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, worth. Now that is something else. Worth of anything, especially ancient coins, can be very subjective. Most people will tell you that it is hard to tell the worth of any of your coins without having them in hand. That being said I will give you some estimates.

Coin 1. The Augustus Denarius as I said is a highly sought after coin. I have seen VF specimens go for as much as $500 -$700. I bought one in Croatia last year for less then a tenth of that amount (but I was very lucky). I would hazard a guess that your coin should bring $125-200.

Coin 2. Lucius Verus coins are not exactly rare but rare enough to warrant a slightly higher price than a more common Sestertius of say Sep Severus. That being said, I might guess that your coin could be worth around $75-$100.

Coin 3. Septimius Severus coins are much more available then the Verus coin above. However, the patina on your coin is very nice and patina can make or break the sale of one of these coins. Even so, my guess on this coin, depending on weight and size, would be in the $50-75 range,

Coin 4. Germanicus coins are bountiful and thus the prices are not as high. Your coin looks a little rough, but its not bad. So, again, my guess might be $35-65 range.

A good way to gauge how much the market is bearing for these coins is to watch the ebay auctions. You can search for each coin separately and see what the market is for each. Another place to see what they are selling for in coin shops would be to go to https://www.vcoins.com. You can search the database of a ton of companies to see what prices they are asking. Be careful though. These are very reputable dealers who generally get top dollar. Check out Forum coins for sale. They are usually reasonable and perhaps you can use them to price your coins.

If you don't mind, please post again to let us know what you find out. I certainly am no expert and I am curious as to how close I may have gotten in the pricing. Good luck

Regards,

JW
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 Posted 09/12/2011  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nannu80 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm really thankful JW, truthfully, is very hard to find an accurate classification for this kind of coins. I've been looking in a lot of online places now, the thing is, there are very similar coins.
With all the information that you gave me, I will look deeper now, and see what I find. I will let you know whenever I have news about all of this.
And finally if anyone knows more about this coins, all information is welcome.

Thanks and regards,

Nadia
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 Posted 09/12/2011  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Notice that the Germanicus has a rectangular countermark behind the head. If this were readable, it could add some value to even such a low grade coin. One common one is NCAPR but there are others.

Value on ancient coins is very related to condition and where you live. It is not uncommon to find identical coins owned by different dealers for very different prices. If you expect to sell the coins for the prices listed above, you might be surprised one way or the other. IMHO the Septimius Sestertius is the nicest of your lot. Were it not for the rather bad crack, I would call it a decent example for the grade with a nice portrait. Severan denarii are common but sestertii are less so. All considered, I would agree with the suggested price on that one. That is what I like about ancients: there is no Red Book.
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 Posted 09/12/2011  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coins, I agree with JW's ID.
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 Posted 09/13/2011  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nannu80 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi dougsmit, thank you for your input. I live in Argentina, and I'm having a really hard time finding people here who can appraisal this kind of coins. I'm no expert either, I'm just getting into this matter of roman coins, so it's all a little confusing. There's a lot of online information, but it's hard to know what to pay attention to.
Thanks to you to echizento.
I'll keep investigating and keep you posted of what I find. And if by any change, someone knows a reliable person in Argentina who can help, I'll be more than happy (I know it's unlikely, but let me hope :)! )
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 Posted 09/13/2011  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello nannu80, welcome to the forum.

As stated above values asked and achieved can be drastically different for items like these. I find doing an advanced search on ebay for finished items a good tool when estimating values.

Items are only worth what people are prepared to pay for them and as yet the books who attempt to value these items have fallen very far short of what the 'real market' can tell us. Some very rare coins sell for very low prices as even though they are rare not enough people realise this fact and push the price up.

If you do look at the finished items prices on ebay you will also see how important describing your item fully and correctly is, lots of very nice coins sell undervalue as the descriptions are wrong or short on information.

Gook luck.
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 Posted 09/23/2011  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nannu80 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all, I'm still trying to know for sure what kind of coins do I have in hand. That's why I went to a numismatic shop that I have near work down town in Buenos Aires.
That was my first attempt in person to ID them. Turns out JW was right in all his descriptions. This is what the guy told me:
The 1st coin is an Augustus Denarius, with Caius and Lucius on the back.
The 2nd one is Germanicus As. He also commented me that if you look at the OBS you can see at the left of the coin something like a smak, with a rectangular form. And that is what he called a resealing (I'm not sure if that is the correct term in english). That legions in those time, had the tradition of making them to leave their mark in them. But he couldn't see what legion is that from, so it does not have much value (I'll talk about what the coins worth after all the descriptions).
The 3rd coin is Septimius Severus Sestertius.
The 4rd coin is Marcus Aurelius Sestertius.
I'm not sure which, but he told me that one of the last three coins I mentioned usually is made of some other material and not bronze, and that is kind of strange, and may be give it a uniqueness to the coin.
He did not gave me a value for each coin, but for all four of them together... And the price was... U$200...
Apparently if I sell them one by one, they can be sold to a higher value, but he told me that it is also more difficult.
Anyway, I did not feel that he was giving me all the information about the real price of them. I think that me not knowing anything about roman coins really affected what he was willing to say the were worth (it can happen sometimes those kind of things here).
So... I will keep investigating, but I have the feeling that selling them in Argentina (if I finally decide to do it), won't be the best option.
What do you think? Any advice?
Thanks a lot to all of you for your input and help.
Regards,
Nadia
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 Posted 09/23/2011  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should trust me more. I'm hurt. Only joking my friend. Glad the dealer confirmed the attribution.

On the question of value, I believe your dealer is offering you the "trade-in" price in order to make a profit. Nothing wrong with that. Just like trading in your car, you will not realize the better price that you can get selling it yourself. But, like your dealer told you, then you have to make the time and effort yourself. ebay is a good place to sell, but if you've never sold there, people shy away from sellers with little or no feedback, as well they should.

I may be wrong on the values I assigned before, but probably not by too much. The Augustus Denarius and the Septimius Severus Sestertius are your best two coins and between them I'm reasonably certain the two will sell for at least $200. I'm also certain there are those on this forum that would be glad to buy some if not all of your coins if they are priced to sell. I'm just not certain of the policies about selling coins here, so you need to check that out first.

Why not keep them all and start a collection of your own? These would make a wonderful start for a collection.

Good luck, my friend

JW

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 Posted 09/23/2011  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd just like to add that JW is pretty spon on with those valuations. I did pick up one of those Augustus denarius about a year ago for £44 - in slightly better condition at a local auction - so that one may be a tad overvalued - but again it really depends where you live. A $200 offer is reasonable for a dealer who wants to make a profit - you weren't being ripped off or anything
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Oh to be sure I could be way off on the prices. As Bacchus2 indicated he was able to obtain a similar denarius for around $70. I, too, was able to get a great buy on such a denarius when I was in Croatia last year. I paid $20 for a coin in slightly better condition then your Augustus. Sometimes we get lucky. However, if you look on ebay and search out that coin, you will find most are selling upwards of $100. And if you do the same on Vcoins, I think you will find even higher prices. Actually, that is the way to determine the value anyway. See how much other like coins are selling and price yours accordingly. I still say you should keep these and begin your own collection!

JW
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