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How Can PCGS Grade This Crap Straight? - Seated Dollar

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 Posted 06/08/2017  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Hovering the cursor doesn't do anything.


Ok, I must have a magical computer or something. When I view ebay listings, if I hover my curser over the image a square box appears in the middle of the photo stating 'mouse over to zoom - click to enlarge' Everything outside of the square then turns a lighter grey color. When I move my curser over the square the image becomes enlarged.

Does anyone else get this effect with their computers?
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 Posted 06/08/2017  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
my computer does the same thing.

Questions for you...

You are so upset that a coin you see as details has been straight graded when you obviously know how to grade and what you are looking for in the coin. Why?

How do collect, mostly raw or mostly on TPG, etc.,etc...
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 Posted 06/08/2017  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not think the cleaning so so bad that any TPG would details it. A strictly original coin that old is very rare and they'd be detailsing almost all of them. The best you can hope for in Seated dollars is an old cleaning. This one is, I think, a bit too recent or my taste.
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 Posted 06/08/2017  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Does anyone else get this effect with their computers?


This hover-over function may not work on some of the older or none-updated browsers, so it may work on yours but not on someone else's computer.
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ArrowsAndRays's Avatar
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 Posted 06/08/2017  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe your expectations from TPGs production workers is too high. They are, by all accounts, flogged around the fleet if they don't meet their hourly rate. If you've taken four or five minutes to inspect a coin in a holder, you've spent 10 times as long looking at it than the grader did. Knowing how rushed these folks are is valuable info when buying or selling slabbed coins.
Buy the coin, not the holder.
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 Posted 06/08/2017  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I suspect PCGS viewed most of the scratches as the result of die polishing.
Hence not a cleaned coin.
Therefore gradeable as original surfaces.


Those are not die polishing lines. And the color is indicative of a cleaned coin. This coin has been harshly cleaned.
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 Posted 06/08/2017  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Totally agree - whatever is going on here, the coin belies the grade.
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 Posted 06/08/2017  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beefer518 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
(Nothing against the poster of this quote, or those who had the same opinion)


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It's clearly a details coin that has been market graded.


So because a coin has marketability, they'll overlook things like a noticeable cleaning? If those marks were on a 1932-D Washington, or a 1909-S VDB, or a '16-D Merc, or a [insert your favorite coin here], do you think they would have overlooked the cleaning? I doubt it. Heck, how many times have you seen an "improperly cleaned details" graded coin that was arguably an original (circulated) surface coin? If they're not going to hit cleaned coins as being cleaned because there is a market component to that coin, then maybe they should start taking age into consideration. a 150 year old coin that you can see something on is in pretty good shape for it's age, right?

What happens when that coin's interest fades? Will the TPG call it back, and add the "Improperly Cleaned Details" grading comment to the slab? Nope. Or what if another of this coin is graded when it isn't a very marketable coin, will it then be hit with the cleaning?

My understanding is that TPG's exist to assess a coin's condition without bias. Obviously, that is not the case.
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The hovering trick works for me on some ebay auctions not all of them. It doesn't work for me on the one in question.
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Not off of us have coin shows and coin shops we can just go to on a whim.
It would be nice tho!
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 Posted 06/12/2017  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another Seated type coin gets a pass on cleaning. Bust coins get passes too.
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 Posted 06/12/2017  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 999fine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seller's feedback would keep me away.
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I've said it before and I'll keep saying it 'till I die:

Coins like this that are submitted by common smucks like us will get a details grade most of the time. On the other hand, Huge Auction Companies sending in coins like this will usually get a straight grade.

Grading is NOT anonymous! The grading companies cater to the hands that feed them.
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