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1923 Threepence. Does It Make The Grade?

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 Posted 03/19/2018  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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It was an NGC holder at Heritage. We pointed it out to HA, they withdrew it and sent the coin to NGC.


Which coin are you talking about?
If it's the 1911 shilling, I'd be the one that spotted it & pointed it out to Heritage. Not sure who 'we' is.


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Try asking the Australian-threepence blog for details, they were aware of it too.


I have no idea what that is.
Part of the Australian Coin Collecting Blog?
I'm aware of it, but don't post there.

The 1923 3d 'rim' discussion on this 302406106431 should be put to bed, it does not have a 'double rim' of any kind.
That 3d coin from Spain on ebay is still of interest to me.

I have been persuaded the 1911 from that seller is best left alone until this resolves.

The only 1923 3d that has a dodgy rim is true-blue out of Victoria -> 292282185079

I have heard that a 1923 halfpenny was mistakenly graded - and I don't doubt it, but thus far nobody has managed a photo.
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 Posted 03/19/2018  06:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi CoinOS
Wire rims are also fairly common on the 1927 Canberra florin. I also agree that some other dates and denominations can be found with wire rims. The suspect coins however have a rim profile unlike normal wire rims, they have a rim, then drop and then rise to a sharp rim,
Even so I would not call that feature definitive proof of a fake coin (there may be a couple of examples of genuine coins with that feature, possibly something I'll cover later after more research, but they are not shillings). When Echidna gave the warning about the dodgy rims I checked my suspect shillings and found several with that feature, then I louped them looking for die markers and only then was I certain that they were fakes. My suspect threepence is certainly dodgy as it was the same seller as 5 of my shillings and from the same reverse as the one you were interested in.
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 Posted 03/19/2018  07:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I'm talking about the altered date 1923 half penny that was in an NGC holder.
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 Posted 03/19/2018  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The suspect coins however have a rim profile unlike normal wire rims, they have a rim, then drop and then rise to a sharp rim,


I am discussing the 1923 3d in Spain called a forgery.

Please observe the following image of a US cent:

1923-Threepence.-Does-It-Make-The-Grade?

- is that not what you describe in the quoted text?

There has been a CCF topic with the same thing:
Search '1999P Roosevelt dime - Is this Finning?'
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 Posted 03/22/2018  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinOS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My suspect threepence is certainly dodgy


I don't know about your suspect threepence.
Your MS63 PCGS 1927 threepence is overgraded in my opinion.

While I reject all double rim theory as conjecture and not hard evidence, I have decided not to send any money to Spain for that coin.

I'll hold out for a better one.

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