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Can anyone tell us which Canadian coin is the rarest of all?
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10/10/2011 9:22 pm
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too find is in circulation 2000 p dime
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2 examples - The 1911 Canadian dollar (2 in silver) and 5c 1954 NSF (2 known so far).
3 examples - 1936 dot cent, 1965 5c large bead/attached jewel (I have the highest graded example known).
5 examples - 1936 dot dime
9 examples - 2000P quarters (3 different types)
16 examples - 1969 large date dime
25 examples - 2000P 50c
I dont think the 1944 5c tombac, and any unique errors count....
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10/10/2011 8:42 pm
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Those coins are of course the well known ones but how about the lesser known ones such as the Newfoundland(we are classing that as Canada right) 1946c,5 cents, try and find one of them without looking..
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I agree with Neweden, Newfoundland varieties are often overlooked.
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danlos9551 aside from the 1911 dollar and 1936 specimen dot strikes, where on earth are you getting those numbers? To say that they are erroneous is an understatement. Oh yeah, I guess you exclude the known mint state examples of the 1965 5c large bead/attached jewel coins that exist. There are also more than two 1954 NSF 5c coins. You have to stop referring to the ICCS population reports, and even Charlton's is not correct on some of the counts.
This reminds me of a quote, by Carl Sagan, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
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1670 2 sols French Regime coin. Only 1 confirmed example exists to date.
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SPP
ICCS population report is all we have. Yes, as of 2011 ICCS report, there ARE only 3 1965 5c LB attached jewel known. There are 22 detached jewel known. Two different varieties, seems like you didn't know that. Ken Potter reported on the two different varieties and how the attached jewel was much more rare than the detached.
And yes, there are only two 1954 NSF 5c coins that are known.
If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it.
Dont attack someone, without providing any proof to the contrary. Its very silly, and provides nothing to the discussion.
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10/10/2011 11:13 pm
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ICCS population report is all we have. If that is all we have, then we don't have much (the point I was trying to illustrate). Did you even bother to check the PCGS population reports? Fact: the finest, and rarest Canadian coins, have not, and do not, reside in ICCS soft flips (but you already know that, because you sent your 1893 RT3 10c coins directly to PCGS - they are not in the ICCS population report). There are still very high grade, rare coins out there that have never been certified with ICCS, or never been certified - period. I have seen them with my own eyes. In fact, one owner of almost every coin in your list, including the 1911 silver dollar, does not like his coins in "plastic prisons" and cracks them ALL out. For sake of privacy (and security), I am not going to list names for sake of providing "proof to the contrary". For example, since you provide so much air of authority on this particular coin, the 1954 NSF 5c - to refer to the document you love so much, the 2010 ICCS population report listed four (2 VF-20, 1 VF-30, 1 AU-50), CCCS has certified one, and I know at least two (one in mint state) that have never been sent in for certification (yet)... although I have have not run out of fingers, that adds up to more than two. Is it still rare? Of course! This thread is about Canadian rare coins, I guess we would have to define what rare means (another can of worms). Your list of rare coins is perfectly acceptable, but the populations are not. You are passing information, riddled with errors, from a single source. Just because you see it in a book, or on the internet, does not mean it is true. That single point I spend weeks, if not months, hammering home to every single one of my graduate students... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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10/10/2011 11:50 pm
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2011 ICCS report lists 2 1954 NSFs, one in VF20, one in VF30 - I'm staring at it right now. I highly doubt your 2010 ICCS pop'n figures. The VF-20 sold on March 5, 2011 for $15,340 (Source: Icollector). What you provide is anecdotal evidence, which is the worst kind of evidence there is. As a professor, I'm sure you're very familiar with it. As a physician, I definitely am. PCGS does not recognize any of these varieties, so PCGS population report is useless. I've checked it thoroughly, believe me. So we're fighting over a couple of rare varieties, which some people wouldn't even include in a list of "rare" Canadian coins. I never said take ICCS population reports as gospel. And everyone knows that numbers may well exceed ICCS pop'n figures. I simply quoted the best evidence we have at this time. And your statement "To say that they are erroneous is an understatement" is illogical. No one disputes the 1911 dollar, 1936 dot cent, 1936 dot dime, 2000P quarter figures. And its perfectly reasonable to state the 2011 ICCS figures for 1954 NSF 5c and 1965 LB AJ 5c figures, with the disclaimer that there are probably more. If you know of rare coins with a population of less than 10 known examples, that have never been certified, and never listed for sale at any auction, and no one else knows they exist, I congratulate you. And its still anectodal.   Edited by canadian-varieties
10/11/2011 12:46 am
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So, the CCCS certified 1954 NSF does not count?
The ICCS population report is consistently erroneous. It cannot be used as a legitimate source.
To get back to the thread, this is about rare coins. Like I said earlier, I agree with your list, and probably could add more, I just wanted to point out to those who read this thread, that your source for the number of coins known (the ICCS Population Report) has to be taken with a grain of salt...
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Edited by SPP-Ottawa
10/11/2011 01:05 am
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Agreed...and CCCS certified coins definitely count.  Edited by canadian-varieties
10/11/2011 01:14 am
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I believe there are some VERY rare gold coins of Newfoundland:
- Normally unlisted dates of the Two Dollar,
- Gold 10 Dollar and 20 Dollar
I remember some years ago a gold 2 Dollar of Newfoundland with a very rare date, came up a leading public auction in Sydney (Australia). It had an esimate of $50,000.
Perhaps this coin is a pattern, or maybe unissued.
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ICCS reports might not be perfect, but they are much more legitimate than the many references to Wikipedia I have seen on this forum.
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How about those million dollar face value 100kg coins?
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