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Valued Member
United States
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Hello everyone, Please weigh in on this grading: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1884-CC-GSA...t_500wt_1125Beautiful reverse, but those marks in front of her face combined with the borderline unattractive toning are too much for an MS65. Bad photography is probably part of it, but what do you think? |
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Valued Member
United States
109 Posts |
That is an awesome Morgan. MS65 Yes. I think the pic is questionable and is showing more than is really there. I have 2 65's and one ms64. This is a MS65 in my book. I would love to own her. To expensive for me know though. I am going to spend my extra coin stash on the 25th anniversary ASE set.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I think that the first image is a better (in hand) representation of the coin than the second. Sometimes, a camera can pick up to much detail and make the coin look more worn than it really is.
Based on the first picture, I would say it is an MS-65.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4989 Posts |
Monster luster and virtually mark free definitely a 65 - toning is not bad - demonstrates the coin has never been dipped
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Valued Member
 United States
115 Posts |
Thanks for helping me understand this one....I went back and looked at the picture more carefully and saw that the toning in the field in front of the portrait actually gave the appearance of a scuff.
Is it safe to assume that any GSA labelled coin (whether in the original holder or transferred to an NGC/PCGS holder) has the absolutely original surfaces? The toning here also confirms that, but to my eye it is a bit distracting. Toning on GSA coins, though, seem to be somewhat uncommon, probably due to the larger bags they were kept in compared to other hoards.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1547 Posts |
That coin is every bit a MS65. As you note, those heavy marks are luster grazes. On the toning, if the coin was GSA-holdered like that, it wasn't in an "Uncirculated Silver Dollar" holder. GSA put those coins as well as the coins it opined showed circulation wear into "Silver Dollar" holders.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I for one can't understand the ms65 grade. Look at the huge gash mark on the forehead. It boggles my mind how the US TPG's reward an inferior coin (by bumping the coins' grade up one point)for its luster and some 'special' crescent toning. |
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Valued Member
United States
109 Posts |
doubleeagle59, I do not see a "gash" in the forehead?  This coin is without question MS65. That coin is far from inferior. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
5375 Posts |
I'd probably grade this coin MS-64, personally. Its still reasonably nice but it does have a gash near the eye.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1302 Posts |
It's a big coin, it will have gashes. Toning is not a factor in grading unless the toning is artificial, corrosive, or really kills the eye appeal. I've seen MS-66 coins with scratches and gashes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5854 Posts |
I can't say for sure if the coin is graded correctly because of potential imperfections that the toning may be hiding but my feeling is that this coin is a lower end example.
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Rest in Peace
United States
5375 Posts |
MS-66 shouldn't have substantial hits, only very light occasional ones out of the focal areas. If one is graded MS-66 with that its graded incorrectly.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
684 Posts |
Is this a bad photo of the obverse? If not, not ms65. The eagle side looks nice.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Is it safe to assume that any GSA labelled coin (whether in the original holder or transferred to an NGC/PCGS holder) has the absolutely original surfaces? I would say as a rule of thumb the answer is yes. The coin has to be sent in with the GSA slab intact in order to get the GSA Label from PCGS so it should be original. With that being said they can be opened without doing damage if you are real careful and lucky but most people that have them do leave them in the cases as they are just another Morgan without the GSA c ASE |
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