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Lacquered Cents...why?

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Why are so many cents lacquered? Does this protect them or reduce their value?
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Years ago many misinformed souls would lacquer their coppers coins to preserve their lustre in hopes of keeping their value high. However, we now know that was the wrong thing to do and we see many well known T.P.G. companies listing these comments on the Certificates as "lacquered".
I personally stay away from these copper coins. I feel it is a negative comment and degrades the value and prestige of the coin, as would the comment cleaned would!

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Thanks Glenn, I suspected as much, I just wanted to be sure. It is sad isn't it?
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if you used acetone to remove the lacquer what would that do to them? is it obvious?
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Lacquer on coins was not 'wrong'. You can safely remove lacquer. In fact, a lot of the gem red large and George V small cents are only red today, because someone lacquered them at one time. Even the Royal Canadian Mint lacquered some of their coins in early specimen set releases.
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An example of SPP's point. Lacquer removed and now in PCGS 66RB holder.

Lacquered-Cents...why?
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Very nice coin bosox...do you have a before picture with the lacquer still on the coin?
Wow, she looks great!
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No before pictures. The lacquer made it much darker and it had a cloudy appearance to it. Underneath I could tell it was the best NB cent I had ever seen. With the lacquer removed that assessment still stands.

A dealer sold it to me raw for an MS-64 price at the 2010 RCNA convention, discounted since I was taking the risk about getting it into a TPG holder.
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Great eye then bosox. Wish I had delers in my area...I hae to buy coins online and dont get the opportunity to see them in hand. Thanks for the lacquered description.
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Holy! That's one spectacular NB cent!
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Nice coin bosox, and well said SPP. Another uninformed statement crashes and burns. This (lacquering) is/was one of the least intrusive methods of coin preservation. That is why coins like the example shown have survived. The educated collector should approach a lacquered coin (as bosox did) with close scrutiny (as with all coins) and not dismiss it. IMO
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That is a very very nice NB coin!

Fact of the matter is, the coin was either cleaned or restored whichever way you want to look at it!

You can not argue that!
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like a blast white white 100 yr old silver? (chortle)
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 Posted 10/30/2011  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep
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Pick any Victorian denomination. If you collect at the 65 or higher level, you will find quite a lot of the coins at that level are not 100% original. Many have been "conserved" over the past 150 years. In the early days copper was lacquered to keep it red. Over the past twenty years, silver has been dipped because the TPG's tend to grade white silver higher and collectors generally like it better. Gold coins probably have the highest percentage of original coins, because gold is the most inert metal.

When done correctly, it restores coins to very nearly their original appearance. All of the TPG's accept such conserved coins. For truly exceptional coins, I have seen PCGS holder them (with a grade; i.e. not in a "genuine" holder) with the lacquer still on them.

What ever your opinion on whether such things consitute cleaning, or not, at the high end it is accepted as a fact of life. Without it, there would be a lot less MS-65, 66 and 67 Victorian coins in TPG holders.
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I do not dispute what you say bosox. Just stating that it has been cleaned or restored and that is also a fact of life.
It is a stunning looking coin. I wish I owned it!
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