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My dream job would be to open a coin store, but I have no idea where to start. I have sold a few coins on ebay and here on CCF for profit, but nothing huge. Just enough to cover my coin purchases.
My main question for coin dealers and coin shop owners is where do you guys get all your merchandise? Also, could you give us a day-in-the-life of a coin dealer? What to watch out for, store protection, selling tips, etc. Thanks in advance guys!
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Merchandise is procured through buying from walk-in customers, buying at coin shows, buying from other dealers. The big thing is to get your name out there and let people know you are buying. Depending on what competition you have in the area, you may need to do some convincing that you are fair and worth their time to come to you versus a more established dealer in the area.

Our shop wasn't terribly busy. We focused more on scrap gold and bullion since we didn't have a strong collector base for numismatic items. In fact we had stuff that came in on day one of opening that was still in inventory when we closed it. Knowing what your customers want and what you can turnover quickly will be key in determining what you should pay for an item. It will come with time.

For bullion items, it's more or less a commodity so our angle to get people to come to us was mainly two things. One is that we would pay cash. Most dealers in the area would pay by check. With gold and silver prices were they are now compared to where they were when we operated, cash only may not be feasible. But I will tell you that customers loved that. Also, when they brought in 90% "junk" or bulk wheats, we would take the time to go through the coins and pay a little extra for better dates. Many dealers in our area don't do that, and our customers really appreciated it.

You always have to watch out for stolen items because if you're caught with stolen items, you will be out the item, you will be out the cash, and depending on the area you could be in trouble. Make sure to ask the right questions when buying like asking them if they are/were a collector, how they got the items, etc. You can do it in a casual, non-invasive way and if something doesn't feel right, there is nothing wrong with telling them you are not interested.

For safety and protection, you obviously want a good security system. Be careful of contract terms though so that you're not paying a huge cancellation fee if you decide it's not for you. Also you need a good heavy duty safe. One that is too heavy for 1-2 people to move with ease, something that may bolt to the floor, fireproof, etc. I would suggest also having a firearm handy. Even if it's just there for show, that alone may give thieves something to think about. You want to have two people at the store at all times if possible as well. When closing up for the night, of course you want to take a different route home each time and check your surroundings.

For selling, make your prices clear. Also, don't be afraid to tell someone no if they lowball you on an offer. Negotiating is part of the game, and alot of people these days want a deal on everything. Stick to your guns and set the expectation up front that you are not going to be walked all over but also be fair with your prices or if someone is wanting a deal, ask for something in return. It wouldn't hurt to run specials either. Something like "Morgan Mondays" where you give a certain discount on Morgan dollars.

Advertising is a struggle. What I mean by that is deciding where to spend your money advertising. You're going to get blitzed by salespeople wanting you to advertise in the different media like local newspaper, the weekly shopper, the monthly value pack of deals that goes out, etc. Coin shows are a great way to get the word out and make some customer connections and sales. Also, get involved in the local coin club to get your name out there.

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head that I hope will help. Good luck.
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A couple more notes....

Be careful with merchant services. We got snagged into a 4-year contract that is basically one that cannot be cancelled or negotiated out of. Since you will be selling, you will need some sort of merchant service account to accept debit and credit cards. Shop around and try to get one without a long contract if possible.

We also made the decision not to accept checks. Our thought process there was that if a check were to bounce, the cost and time to chase it down was too much of a hassle. Hardly anyone uses checks these days anyway, and no one had a problem with it. You can set up to receive checks and get a service tied to your merchant services where there is some sort of immediate debit of the check amount or some sort of check guaranty but that costs extra. Another option is to accept checks up to only a certain amount like $100 to minimize your risk.

If you haven't done scrap gold before and plan to do it, learn as much as you can about it. What to look for with fakes, how to test the items, what equipment you need (acids, stone, scale, etc). There are fakes out there, and some of them are well done, so you want to make sure you are doing your due diligence to reduce your risk.

Related to that is to check your local ordinances for their rules about buying scrap jewelry. How long do you have to hold it before you can send it the refiner? This will help you estimate how much operating capital you need to run your business. Also find out what paperwork is required and do you have to file that to the local police department on a daily, weekly, monthly basis.

Hope this isn't overwhelming to you. There's alot more that goes into it than the average person realizes.
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This may sound like a silly post, but I am completely serious. A tip I could offer would be to make sure you develop (or have) good social skills and a positive attitude. Treat customers in the coin shop the way you are treated at well run retail stores--with interest, a smile, and integrity and patience.

At all the coin shops in my area, the owners are rude, inconsistent, and make me feel very uncomfortable. I only go to one guy these days just because he has amazing deals. I avoid the rest, and pay more for things online sometimes, just to avoid their utter anti-social behavior.

If only they knew how much more I would have spent if they were friendly and courteous and engaged me in innocent numismatic conversation (when they aren't busy).

I know I can't speak for everybody, but I want to go to a coin shop, I don't want to buy on ebay or online websites. The owner's in my area have been so horrible to me for me to not even do what I want.

So don't do that, that's my advice


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Totally agree! I moved back to my hometown (OKC) for a job after I completed my military obligation of 24 years, and the coin shop that I used to visit often is still there, but the previous owner sold it since he was getting along in years. The "new guy" completely remodeled the place, and brought along his "attitude" with it. I may have mentioned this in an earlier post, but I went in asked if "Joe" was around, and he said that he sold the place to him. I made a nice comment about the new look, and told him that I was looking for a nice 1917 Type 1. He replied back " Buffalo nickel"? I said no, Standing Liberty quarter. He replied back, without even looking up from a pile of Mercury dimes, "no, don't have one". I have spread the word amongst friends not to go to "his" place. He seems only to be interested in bullion/PM, not coins.

Attitudes are contagious. Is yours worth catching?

I am sure that I plagiarized someone with that.
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Yeah, you certainly don't want to run a shop unless you are very knowledgeable about coin sets. The shop where I go, about half of them are pretty cool and will talk to you and tell you various things. I told them I was just getting back into collecting but didn't really remember much. They did give me a lot of seemingly good advice and gave me stuff for free as well.
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Amen to customer service. I was at my local store a few days ago and walked by the dealer while he was doing some transaction with another customer (on a display case, in the middle of the store). I made one comment about one coin that was on the table and he chewed me out for like 5 minutes for interfering with his deal. And he had already told the customer "that's junk I don't want that..." (for an MS-65 coin in a PCGS slab no less). Seriously?
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A good way to build your way in is to work the show circuit. Take a table at the local club shows. It will get you exposed to a lot of collectors and let you start buying and selling with low expense. It will also start to insert you into the dealer community. Keep rolling profit back into stock and build your inventory. As your inventory grows you can start including the larger state and regional shows which will increase your contacts, exposure to better material and possibly allow you to move some stuff that doesn't go well in your area. You may find that the show circuit is more to your liking than being tied down to the expense of a Brick and Morter location. Or you may find that being a dealer just isn't for you without committing the funds to the expenses of a shop. I did shows for three years before I decided I'd rather just be a collector.
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Lol I thought of one more thing sorry. Don't get attached to a particular coin or coins. If you're going to do this as a business, then you need to be willing to part with items. The name of the game is turning inventory over, so buy it, sell it for a profit, and make that money work for you.

I agree with the above people who say do the show thing first to see if you like being on the other end of the deal. Some people think it's all gravy but when you are on the other side of the table or counter, you are going to see things about customers that you don't like. It's part of any business.

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My dream job would be to open a coin store, but I have no idea where to start.

Most of the replys already tell you how to run the buisness. However, there is a lot of other things to consider also. For example the location. Just has to be in a place that gets a lot of traffic or it will never be seen.
And remember if you rent a place, there is rent and normally gas, water, electric bills to pay for. Then of course a phone bill which should be a land line, not just a cell phone. Possibly a FAX machine and a separate number for that too. You would need large display cases with locks. Chairs for yourself and customers. Really good lighting fixtures. A place for all the so called nickel and dime things that most people never think about at first such as a broom, vacuum cleaner, glass cleaners, towers, soaps, toilet paper, paper towels, pencils, pens, writting paper, fax machine paper and that list could go on for a long, long time.
And you need all that STUFF when you first open.
Visit as many coin shops as possible and look around. Try to see what they carry for merchandise besides actual coins.
And as already noted, if you don't know how to talk to people, forget that buisness.
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Don't get attached to a particular coin or coins. If you're going to do this as a business, then you need to be willing to part with items.
This is why I would never make it as a dealer!
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Wow thanks guys that helps a lot. I obviously have a ton to learn before I even think about this, especially being 16. I have had some experience selling things and interacting with customers, and I will need to get more as y'all said. I can take that the most important aspect of running any business is (finances excluded)people skills, right?
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I think you have received some solid sound advice here.

I still wonder if in this day and age if a bricks and mortar presence is really needed for someone starting out?

Many of the same business principles apply to an internet based business.

Selling here on CCF, ecrater, and ebay are good ways to start.

Looking in the papers for yard sales and estate sales can be good places to start. Craiglist can be used but be careful.

You never want to disclosed information about where you live and so forth.

Maybe consider getting a prepaid cell phone which you use for business only.

An advantage of going this route, you can do things are your own pace, move your business when you go to college without all in the investment that a physical store brings with it.

Ken
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And remember if you rent a place, there is rent and normally gas, water, electric bills to pay for. Then of course a phone bill which should be a land line, not just a cell phone. Possibly a FAX machine and a separate number for that too.

And being a business you will find that you will be paying a much higher rate for all of those than you would as a residential customer. Oh and of course the deposits for those utilities that you will have to pay before you even open. here where I live the gas company deposit equals half a years billing, about $1500.
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Unless you have deep pockets, start small. Remember in order to turn a profit you have to cover ALL your overhead before you can pay yourself(everything that everyone has listed...rent, employee salaries, TAXES, health care). Figure you may have to PROFIT a minimum of 4k+ a month just to stay afloat. Think about how much inventory you have to turn over to reach that number. This also has a lot to do with where you're going to be located, in NJ with property taxes, rent and everything being high here, you would probably need atleast $100k in inventory to cover a range of customers.

Networking - Do some shows, meet some people (customers/other vendors). At some point you have to find some "connection" that gives you an edge. I know 1 dealer that buys a lot from a guy who does storage unit auctions.

Group buys - Once you befriend some other vendors at shows, you may want to consider going partners with some in bulk buys. Estate sales - auctions..etc. These will probably be your best chances at scoring a large inventory at a reduced price.

Before all else...know your limit on what you are willing to risk. Ask yourself some..what ifs? Run the scenarios and if you're comfortable with the results or uncomfortable you'll know if you're making the right decision. Are you going to be willing to keep 10-20-50 ounces of gold in stock, with the chance it may drop to $800...what will you do with it then? Sell at a loss or hold on to it?
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Quote: This may sound like a silly post, but I am completely serious. A tip I could offer would be to make sure you develop (or have) good social skills and a positive attitude. Treat customers in the coin shop the way you are treated at well run retail stores--with interest, a smile, and integrity and patience.

At all the coin shops in my area, the owners are rude, inconsistent, and make me feel very uncomfortable. I only go to one guy these days just because he has amazing deals. I avoid the rest, and pay more for things online sometimes, just to avoid their utter anti-social behavior.

AMEN! I drive 30+ minates out of my way.... to the next town over...... passing two other dealers coin shops, because my dealer has fair prices and he is not rude or condescending when I ask a question. Also, when he see's me he will come out of his office and atleast say "hello"! But often offers to help me eventhough he has one or two other folks in there to help me. I almost always buy "Something" as I feel there is value with this level of service and Friendship!
(Same thing is true of gunshops.....that often give bad customer service!).
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