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Pennys Destroyed?

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I purchased a set of Lincoln cents recently plus other coins. The pennies are complete except for 14 coins (basically key dates). From 1930 to 1980 the set is complete and believe it or not, almost all are in mint state. I purchased the collection from a friend (70+ yrs old) whose father started the set. I have never seen this many coins this old in such great condition. The problem is that almost every single one of them has been coated with a very light clear glaze. So, a book full of great coins I guess may be destroyed. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing and just how much does it destroy the value and can it be fixed. Almost every single one looks like they just came from the mint and it is killing me. I will post pictures just as soon as my nephew who is the computer guru gets back from Christmas break. He's the computer genius in the family. I sure appreciate any help.
Thx much, Jim
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 Posted 12/28/2006  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was a trend many years ago to lacquer or varnish your coins. It's mostly harmless; it should come off with a few soaks in a solvent, like acetone. Varnish can make coins go strange colours (depending on the brand of varnish used) but if the coins still look OK after being varnished for that long, then the varnish is probably safe enough staying there.
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I agree. Unless you see discoloration, I wouldn't even bother to remove it. You find this a lot with the old large coppers, also.
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 Posted 12/28/2006  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thx guys, I really appreciate the info. There are a few with some color distortion and even a couple with finger prints in the laquer but most are great. Pics will follow soon.
Jim
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then again it could be toning setting in which some people will pay extra for if it fits the look they desire then some people are against toning.... if its just clear tho it prolly is varnish
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 Posted 12/28/2006  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Dollar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As this post is named "pennys destroyed?" I also have some that are in need of help. I bought a roll of 1943 pennies today. The whole roll has a powdery substance on each and every coin. They are coated so heavily that you it is hard to make out the details. The roll was sealed from the bank in 1943. No rust though. Will acetone work on these or do I need to use something else?
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"Powdery substance" sounds like the zinc is reacting with something - oxide, carbonate or sulfide; my guess would be sulfide in the paper. It's white in colour, I presume - most zinc compounds are white.

Either way, the coins are probably ruined as collectables.
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 Posted 12/29/2006  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaBoz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Soaking copper in acetone will remove the varnish , but it will also remove the natural oil that comes from the mint process and may cause a blue hue to occur on some of the coins.
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Be careful, the coating that you see may be PVC, if the coins are in an old plastic slip album, it may be the plastic residue that you are looking at.
It should be removed, carefully. Acetone (also sold as AFTA) would be the best to remove it, just be careful.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sap

"Powdery substance" sounds like the zinc is reacting with something - oxide, carbonate or sulfide; my guess would be sulfide in the paper. It's white in colour, I presume - most zinc compounds are white.

Either way, the coins are probably ruined as collectables.



HAVE TO AGREE WITH SAP ON THIS ONE IT IS SULFIDE FROM THE PAPER ROLL I HAD SOME LIKE ONCE I JUST PUT THEM BACK IN CIRCULATION.
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 Posted 12/29/2006  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to the steel cents I am a steel cent collector. I have about 40 to 50 rolls of the things. I just like them from when I was a kid and they were new. Now as to the stuff on them. What you have is just a roll that someone put together of those oxided coins. That was just one of the problems with them. Don't try to remove that Oxidation. It acutally is preserving the coin. If you tried to remove the Zinc Oxide, and it can easily be removed, you will expose the raw steel under and that will begin to rust as fast as the air will let it and you will end up with just rust. You can check this out in a chem web site on Zinc Oxides or in any chem book. If you want put them in a plastic roll or 2x2's and the Oxidation process will stop. If not the ones I've been hoarding for well over 60 years should be a mess by now. As to the copper coins here is something to try. Take one that is not worth a fortune and feel it. Back when I was a kid we all used to put motor oil on coins to make them shine. Some kids used the castor oil their moms tried to make them take. If that coin feels like oil it is probably from an old keezer like me that thought all coins should shine. As already noted try a dip in Acetone. However, remember the stuff is flamable and can really be a not to good thing to get in your eyes. If you can find a glass spoon, fork or something to place one of the coins on and try dipping it in Acetone. You can use standard Acetone from Walmart. Don't be fooled about going out to buy the expensive stuff that is more pure because your going to rinse the coin anyway. After dipping in Actone, dip in Distilled water and again in another separate glass of distilled water. Now don't try to wipe it dry. Put on a soft towel and blow dry with a hair blow dryer. If the glaze is now gone you've done it. Now put the coins in either a new Album or separate 2x2's. Do not use the same album they are now in. Spend a few $ and get a new one. Also, to help preserve the coins, once in an album, put the entire album in a freezer bag and push as much air out as possible. I've been doing this for well ofer 60 years now and it things don't work out this way for the next hundred years I'll let you know.
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CARL,
THANKS FOR THE EXTRA INFO I JUST LEARNED SOMETHING NEW.
BRUCE
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