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What Is A Cleaned Coin?

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 Posted 11/19/2011  6:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CincoPicos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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I see the word 'cleaned' all the time. Has anyone really defined what 'cleaned' means? Is a dipped coin cleaned? Has an NGC coin graded 'Hairlines' been cleaned? What about 'Excessive hairlines'? MAYBE WE NEED A GRADING SYSTEM FOR 'Cleaned.' A little cleaned or maybe half-way cleaned, or how about HARSHLY CLEANED! Has a coin that has been wiped been cleaned? Is a coin that has been WHIZZED also been cleaned? Is rinsing a coin in mild soap and water cleaning? Why are there so many bright white Bust Halves; have they been 'cleaned' at some time by dipping? I could go on and on. We really need a proper definition of 'CLEANED' and its impact on collectability and slabbing.

I would like to hear from some of the pillars of the community on this subject.
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11/19/2011 7:55 pm
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Well IMO a coin has been cleaned if it's original surface has been altered to make it look better or to remove junk, etc.
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A cleaned coin is one where it's original surfaces have been disrupted, altered or impaired by rubbing.
It's impact on collectibility and slabbing? Simple, it's a problem coin now.
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Vermontensium,
Good definition, but how do you accomodate Chopmarked coins, like Trade dollars which are graded by PCGS and early Mexican 8 Reales with adjustment marks which are 100% gradeable by both NGC and PCGS?
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a cleaned coin is one thats been put in the washing machine with your pants by accident. Nah all jokes aside a cleaned coin can come in many forms from being dipped in something like EZest to whizzing where you use a rotary took and wire brush to try and create false looking cartwheel effect and everything in between. The most common is probably caused by someone taking a rag and wiping the coin trying to make it look better when they don't know they are ruining the coin. The particles that the rag holds from dust to dirt scratches the coins surface which puts directional lines on the coin
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By the way,
Such things like chop marks and adjustment marks have nothing to do with cleaning although they did alter the coin. These are considered acceptable in the Numismatic collecting world since they had a purpose to them.
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 Posted 11/20/2011  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

A coin that has been held to a wire wheel until it shines is usually considered cleaned. Ccins placed in battery acid for several days too should be considered cleaned if anything is left.
Actually if you look at the top of the page you would see a tab for Search. If you tried that and typed in cleaning coins, coin cleaning, Acetone, etc. you would or should find a zillion posts about this subject.
For many reasons people just like coins to look like they did when first made regardless of how long they've been in dirt, dust, grease, tar or all the other things that happen to coinage.
And when it comes to substances used to clean coins it is an endless list. I would suspect one of the most common substances used is SPIT. So many people just spit on a coin then rub it to see how it should look, could look, might look. Which is why you should never put a coin in your mouth.
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, CincoPicos!

Cleaned covers a multitude of sins. Rather than try for a universal meaning (I still remember the battles over the meaning of whizzing), the simplest solution is for a buyer/seller pair to agree on a definition.
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