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1986 LMC Don't Even Know What To Call It But Its Awesome

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 Posted 11/29/2011  1:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just found this today any ideas what caused it?
Any value in something like this?
thanks
Kris

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 Posted 11/29/2011  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dave42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Die Deterioration to me. Neat, but no premium, as this is fairly common on zincolns.

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 Posted 11/29/2011  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i was thinking that it was Die Deterioration as well but from what I have read everywhere Die Deterioration and Die Deterioration Doubling are all puffy design details, swellings around letters and numbers so I don't think its that.
The markings on this coin are impressions, they don't puff up.
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 Posted 11/29/2011  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This really is another type of Die Deterioration. A die strikes in the center first and the pressure of the strike goes out radially toward the rim. As the pressure goes past the letters it can wear away the field between the letter and the rim. You have some nice photos of this. But this is not an error. It is a die state.
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 Posted 11/29/2011  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
pyrbob Thanks for that information/explanation. I learn something new here every day.

I have a bunch of coins that are similar and I knew that they couldn't all be 'error' coins but still, they weren't quite right. Now I know why! Yea!
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 Posted 11/29/2011  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Pyrbob,
But iam still wondering how there is an actual indentation of each letter formed when the letter itself sticks up above the surface of the coin
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 Posted 11/30/2011  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't explain the process but it is Die Deterioration.
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 Posted 11/30/2011  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is one of many forms of Die Deterioration - the others are correct.

The basic process is that the die is being eaten away by moving particles of steel on its surface, causing MOST of the outer area to be raised on the resulting coins. For some reason the lettering at the outer periphery of the design protects the surface from this effect. The result is that the area just outside the lettering has the normal surface intact, while the other areas have a caved-in appearance to the die that translates to raised areas on the coins.

In some cases this form of Die Deterioration appears as a raised field all the way around the coin without regard to the lettering. It's the same cause, but the effect in this case appears as though the field is raising up and swallowing the letters of the motto. Many have been posted here in the forum in the past.

In almost all cases "oddities" of the surface on zinc cents - especially near the rim - are caused by one form or another of Die Deterioration or simple poor quality control in the early years of minting coins on this unfamiliar metal composition. By around 1992 most of the quirks had been worked out and the occurrence of such oddities dwindles significantly.
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 Posted 11/30/2011  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool, thanks everyone
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 Posted 11/30/2011  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A good example to study by
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