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 Posted 12/04/2011  12:36 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add canuck1us to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just noticed this listing on ebay tonight.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1831-Half-D...refresh=true

Despite having the word "COPY" stamped on the reverse and the seller having a negative feedback of selling a fake, this coin just sold for $67!



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 Posted 12/04/2011  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canuck1us to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even worse is this other listing he had earlier of an 1854 Seated dollar sold for $464!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1854-Seated...em336f11380d

You can see the word "copy" faintly under the wing on the left. This is the same coin he previously sold and received neg. feedback for being fake!



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 Posted 12/04/2011  02:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's pretty sad. You'd think a collector would at least look at the coin somewhat. One doesn't even have to look very hard to see the word COPY. I don't know whether to feel sorry for the buyer or not.
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 Posted 12/04/2011  05:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enoilgam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt whether an experienced collector would have fallen for that, especially when spending $450 on a coin. It was probably a newbie or someone with limited experience. The amount of fakes out there is seriously ruining the hobby.
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 Posted 12/04/2011  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I reported seller
nearlyfamousdogs
and item number 220906731533 [eBayItem]220906731533[/eBayItem] in this manner. I feel sorry for the buyers, even though they do not have knowledge, it could be some little old lady paying good money to give the coin to someone as a Christmas present, or a good wife wanting to surprise her hubby with a type coin he has been wanting for the longest time. It is very sad, and it is a sad world we live in. I pray that good overcomes evil in this world someday. It seems it just keeps getting uglier.

I wrote to ebay ...

What is the matter with you people? Fraud and dishonesty has never been as rampant as it is these days on ebay with coin sales. You simply allow sellers to rip off customers who may never even figure out they have been had, yet you continue to take the final value fees with no conscience at all. I don't know who is the more evil, ebay or sellers like this. The coin in this listing is marked COPY and sold as genuine. The seller has deplorable feedback and you continue to allow this because you are making money. ebay has ruined ebay, I do not sell there and have not for years.
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 Posted 12/04/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What is the matter with you people?


Doesn't strike me as a good way to get them on your side, even tho it's true.
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 Posted 12/04/2011  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NicO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1831 Half Dollar so obviously has "COPY" stamped on the reverse. Although, it is extremely dishonest of the seller to market this copy as an authentic half dollar, I can't help but to place the blame partly on the buyer, who was simply careless in purchasing this coin.

If it wasn't simply the carelessness and the buyer was just unknowledgeable, he or she should not have been searching ebay for coins. Although it provides easy access to these coins, its too easy too fall into a trap when it comes to ebay if you're not sure of what you're doing. Despite the large amount of highly reputable and excellent coin dealers on ebay, there is also, unfortunately, a wealth of sellers looking to cheat their buyers. It's a sad fact, but as NickelGuy said, ebay has ruined ebay.

I still sell on ebay because you simply can't beat the amount of exposure you can get, but doing so can be difficult at times because, even despite having 100% positive feedback and a plethora of returning customers, the establishment of trust between a seller and a new customer can still be complicated at times, not to mention the strict limitations now placed on sellers because of all of ebay's past issues with illegitimate sellers and their poor practices.
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 Posted 12/04/2011  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cd_god to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought 7 different fake SLQ's earlier this year from a seller in chine to fill the empty holes in my album for key dates. The phot clearly showed the word COPY stamped / cast on the coin. When I got the coins there were missign teh copy denotation. I guess most of the sellers use photos with COPY on them to abide by ebay's rules so to see these that actually has copy on them and still fool peopelis pretty pathetic for the the buyers.

As a side note, I paid $1 each for mine, they apper to be zinc, and the diamater is slightly larger and they would not fit in my album. The 1919 S also has a Type 1 obverse with a 1919 date so I guess the fakers are not so smart yet.
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 Posted 12/04/2011  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, NicO!
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 Posted 12/05/2011  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jay Kristofferson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also reported the auction. Thanks for the information.
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 Posted 12/05/2011  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Doesn't strike me as a good way to get them on your side, even tho it's true.


Yes it was a nasty message I sent but they need to get messages like that to let them know how disgusting some of the counterfeit and deceptive coin and currency auctions are. My complaint is that they let these sellers continue to sell. They should be kicked off and for good and they need to ban the IP address as well. That is mainly my point and purpose for being so tough in my message.

I got a reply. It was effective.


Thanks for reporting this listing to us.

I reviewed this listing and confirmed that it violated our Selling
Currency policy. As a result, I removed the listing.

I would venture a guess that there are probably close to a million or
more currency listings on ebay at any time. I cannot imagine the man
power needed to be able to view every single currency listing at the
time it is listed to determine if the listing is fraudulent.

Besides our own internal efforts, we often rely on our members to report
violating listings. Additionally, we work with two groups of coin
experts, the Coin Community Watch group and the Coin Forgery ebay group.
When we are made aware of a potential counterfeit coin whether found
internally or reported to us we send the listing to them for review. If
they agree that the coin is a counterfeit, they notify us and we remove
it.

Please understand that we do not "allow" sellers to defraud buyers. We
remove all counterfeit coins or misleading listings when we are made
aware of them.

Again, thank you for your report. We appreciate your help in
keeping ebay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business.

Sincerely,

Judith
ebay Customer Support
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 Posted 12/05/2011  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NickleGuy, a little overboard there my friend. Yes, there are ruthless folks on ebay. But as with anything else, one must be aware of what they are doing when buying there. Yes it sucks that people get ripped off, but plenty do not. But calling ebay evil?

Anyway, in this case, I lay the purchase of the 1/2 on the buyers shoulders. It cant be more evident with copy stamped on it. If you purchase something without going over the pics its on you. The Seated is not quite as glaringly obvious, but its right there not hidden. The truth on that one is the bidders saw a coin that is in the neighborhood of a grand and they thought they were getting a steal and let that greed cloud their vision.

And playing devils advocate here...he doesn't say its authentic. He just says he picked it up at an auction. And the copy is clear as day in the pic. So techincally speaking he didnt lie about anything. Still a scumbag way to sell it tis true.
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 Posted 12/05/2011  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canuck1us to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad to see he got caught. I did find out that the 1854 dollar that got pulled was a different one from that he had sold previously and received the negative feedback on.

On that one (shown below), I was told by the buyer that his photo was altered to not show the "copy" stamped on it. When the buyer contacted him when it was received, the seller told him that he sent a real one and that it was the buyer trying to return a fake copy!

Here are the pics of that first 1854 dollar he had...with no "copy" noted on it, which he stated he also got at an estate auction. Pretty blurry but a buyer wouldn't suspect it was a fake copy.


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The 1931 "half dollar" is simply not what it is listed as. It's a coin copy, not a half dollar. I applaud all you "coin cops" out there. Way to go, NickelGuy!

If ebay was serious about controlling this epidemic, they would not have so effectively closed off communication between potential buyers. Some years ago, I was able to warn bidders about copies of Bust Dollars that were being bid above $1,000. I don't see a way to do that, nowadays.
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If ebay was serious about controlling this epidemic, they would not have so effectively closed off communication between potential buyers. Some years ago, I was able to warn bidders about copies of Bust Dollars that were being bid above $1,000. I don't see a way to do that, nowadays.


As usual, when ebay comes up with a new way to "protect" users, look beyond the official explanation for the real reason. It's usually one of two:

More profit for ebay.

Less overhead for ebay.
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 Posted 12/05/2011  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with The nickelguy ebay is not doing enough to shut down sellers that
are selling fake coins.

Even in this case they nicely said they try to stop fake coins from being sold
but then said nothing about stopping this seller, who has sold multiple fake/copy coins.

My guess is this seller will sell more coins like this
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