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Whole Lot Of Cleaning Going On?

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 Posted 01/04/2007  9:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of Morgans are being "washed". I have been going to local auctions and I would bet 75 percent look sparking white. Even the ones that are 20 to 30 at best. What is even more amazing is how much money they fetch in comparison to a similar coin in natural circulated condition. I admit they are much prettier. I don't buy them but they fly at the auctions. Am I missing something or are most of the bidders just uninformed. Also, if they bring that much interest, are we missing a buying, investing opportunity by being traditionalist.
Jim
p.s. hope I have this in an OK spot

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 Posted 01/04/2007  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most new collecters like bright white coins. That's why a lot of the Morgans you see are "dipped, stripped and shipped". It really does take time to appreciate a coin with "original skin". A 100 year old coin just should not be white, but I used to love them that way myself once upon a time.
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 Posted 01/05/2007  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim, it's not you nor your imagination. I have a LOT of Morgans on my ebay Watch list and 75% would be my very conservative estimate (more likely about 90%) of the number of raw coins which have experienced tampering - dipping, cleaning, whizzing, even simple wiping. All these techniques alter the original and natural surface. I also am surprised at the number of persons who bid big bucks on coins which are essentially ruined for investment and/or serious collection purposes. I believe the buyers are just ignorant and are being presented a false bill of goods by dealers and sellers who mostly know better. The buyers may not find out for months, years, decades or even longer (if their coins become legacy items) and eventually are appraised by experts or offered for sale to knowledgeable persons.

A problem we've all seen on ebay is the art of Photoshopping a bright white coin or otherwise photographing or scanning a bright coin such that it appears much better than it actually is. I've returned two wannabe high grade Morgans this past month that appeared Mint State but, in hand were obviously altered and not as they appeared in the images. At least at coin shows (none of which are anywhere near me which is why I shop ebay), one can examine a coin in hand before purchase.

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 Posted 01/06/2007  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has been my experience at the local auctions that happen to have a few silver coins of any type, the majority of people who bid on them are not collectors at all, but the normal every day Joe/Jane who thinks they are nice and have heard (somewhere) that owning silver is good. Much further than that and you can bet they arn't ever going to care if the coins have been 'washed' or not. JMO
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 Posted 01/06/2007  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The recent boom in coin collecting has made tons of new collectors that think the shinnier a coin, the prettier and the most expensive.
This is causing many dealers to clean coins even if they normally wouldn't.
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 Posted 01/16/2007  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thx for the thoughts, guys. Jim
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 Posted 01/17/2007  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing I've learned about buying coins is that a lot of coins have some sort of detractor. These vary from major problems to very insignificant flaws. On ebay if a seller has 50 coins listed and no mention of anything at all in 50 coins to me that is a red light. If I read a listing and the seller mentions "cleaned", "slight rim ding", or other problems I'm instantly put at ease with the listing. I've been burned before. Sellers that are honest are in my favorite sellers. When I get on-line to look at coins I immediately go to favorite sellers. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I don't buy much but when
I do it's from a favorite seller.
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 Posted 01/18/2007  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's been going on for years, Jim. I've heard stories from 20 years ago about filling up BATHTUBS with dip, dumping in bags of Morgans, and using broomsticks to stir 'em up. Everybody wanted nice clean shiney 100 year old coins. Yechh!
Now here is MY idea of an obviously original, undipped, unmessed with coin!
Whole-Lot-Of-Cleaning-Going-On?






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