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Ok, All What Makes This So Special. Help Please!

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Ok, I was just browsing through ebay for a few of the newer Native American dollars and came across this one. So I will wait for you to respond as to why this is so special.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-P-Nati...em56465445de

I understand it is ms-68, which in all rights shouldn't be hard to obtain since these came out of uncirculated rolls.
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You'd be surprised on how hard it is to find a 68. Of course, it is easier in some cases more than others. This coin is overpriced though, imo.
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I'd say it's grossly overpriced. Since there aren't many collectors for these anyway.

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My reaction:

Ok,-All-What-Makes-This-So-Special.-Help-Please!
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 Posted 12/13/2011  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pman860507 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

and
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I'd say it's grossly overpriced.


Especially since Numismedia only lists prices for these up to MS67 and that is only $20. I just can't see a $1475 price difference in the 2 grades for this series.
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 Posted 12/13/2011  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Simply put: $1,495.95 ==
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Don't forget, anyone can list anything they want on ebay for any price they want. The surprise would be if anyone actually bought it at that price.
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So what I have found out it something to do with the lettering on the edge of the coin. I agree that it is Grossly over priced, I was trying to figure out if I should get a few rolls and do some searching. I did look at the FMV for this coin and it seems way out of proportion.

Thanks all!
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it's a problem with modern coinage. MS-68+ coins are rare no matter what, but there are no real indications of what the pops are at that level because it makes no sense to submit lots of worthless coins in hopes that you'll get a high grade coin that will sell at a premium. Furthermore, the value multiplier is based on low pops at the top... so for every new piece that enters the marketplace, the value of all of the coins at that grade goes down.

High end collecting of moderns is highly speculative and very risky- and I would only recommend it to those who are doing it for other than monetary reasons.
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I think the position A and Position B just refers to the direction the edge lettering is read. Position A is read correctly when the Obverse is facing up and Position B is read with the Reverse facing up. I think I remember the Mint coming out and saying there is no "correct" way the lettering is supposed to read as they do not monitor the edge lettering to make sure its one way over another so this should not really add any value to the coin, just another thing PCGS thinks it should market and mention on the label as they do with First Strike labels which really means nothing and they are trying to make a market out of nothing and allot of collectors are falling for it
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I recently read somewhere (maybe someone knows where these stats are) an article that showed the odds of finding MS68 MS69 and MS70... I believe MS68's are like 1-200,000+ coins... and 69 was in the millions and 70 is in the billions...I'll try to find the article and edit this post

This isn't what I was looking for but it is interesting and relevant...a 2003 RD MS70 LMC sold for $13,500...what people will pay for perfection...

http://books.google.com/books?id=cL...roll&f=false
Edited by Jayman931
12/14/2011 2:17 pm
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I think the position A and Position B just refers to the direction the edge lettering is read. Position A is read correctly when the Obverse is facing up and Position B is read with the Reverse facing up.

It does refer to the lettering position but you have them reversed Position A has the lettering upside down when the obverse faces up.
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