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New Member
United States
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I'm often asked, "What are the differences between numismatic counterfeits and legal coin reproductions?" Forgeries of genuine ancient and modern coins fabricated to trick and defraud collectors and investors are illegal. Section 2101 of the Hobby Protection Act of 1973 describes requirements for coin reproduction of numismatic items: "The manufacture in the United States, or the importation into the United States, for introduction into or distribution in commerce any imitation numismatic item which is not plainly and permanently marked "copy", is unlawful and is an unfair or deceptive act or practice in commerce under the Federal Trade Commissioner Act [15 U.S.C.41 et al.]" Are there legitimate uses for legal coin replicas? Yes, I have found four uses. First, serious numismatic collectors use coin reproductions as substitutes for missing rare and expensive pieces. Often private collectors have valuable ancient coin collections. Due to security and insurance restrictions, they buy legal coin reproductions to keep and enjoy at home. Often smaller collectors of ancient coins cannot afford rare original pieces. Many early and modern coin collectors are unable to 'fill holes' in collections due to price and scarcity. Legal casts or die struck coin reproductions of ancient and modern coins fill collectors needs. Second, the academic community, scholars, and teachers use specific historical coins to make the physical connection to the history their students study. For example, the Roman 'eid mar' denarius of Brutus celebrates Julius Caesar's assassination in 44 B.C. The story of the "Widows Mite" is more real to the a Biblical student when he holds the a replica of the small ancient Jewish bronze lepton that Mark called a 'widows mite.' Historical replica coin collections of covering historical themes or periods are popular with amateur historians. Third, theatrical productions use legal replica coins as props in the production of movies; television programs such as the History Channel and Myth Busters; religious Passion plays; and historical reenactments Legal historical coin reproductions have been used as gifts for cast members of Broadway plays. Fourth, legal coin replicas have commercial uses for businesses, associations, non-profit organizations and governmental agencies. Casts of legal replicas are used in direct marketing, customer gifts and fund raising. Some commercial projects require the production of large quantities of legal reproductions. It is more economical for a private mint to manufacture these pieces in volume. Legal replicas are add-ons to other products. A good example is the inclusion of legal die struck English six pence replicas packaged with Christmas English plum puddings. Die struck coin replicas are used as advertising tokens with a coin obverse (front) showing the legal copy of a historical coin and the reverse (back) presenting a business message. Legal coin replicas are often integrated into the designs of commemorative tokens and coins for businesses and governmental agencies. For example, legal replica Viking tokens were manufactured for use at the settlement Lief Ericsson established in Newfoundland. Warren D. Smith has been a coin collector for over 30 years. He is a consultant, retailer, and manufacturer of legal coins and tokens for collectors, museum stores, theatrical productions, and businesses. *** Edited by Staff - Please Review the rules that you agreed to when you registered. ***
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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This is why I don't like replica's both of these are fake you can see the rust coming through. But when I was "lucky enough " to get these on ebay   They were not rusty. Another couple to shoot at  
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Do you need a license to produce replicas, in order to make them legal?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts |
Edited by trout1105 12/30/2011 05:20 am
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 United States
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I have purchased 6 replica coins. For some, the actual coins are so rare that I will probably never own them, so these were to fill holes. For others, they were just a curiosity. Replica coins I own: 1787 Fugio Cent (curiosity) 1856 Flying Eagle cent (rare/curiosity) 1861 CSA Half Dollar (curiosity) 1776 Fugio Dollar (curiosity) 1795 Flowing Hair Dollar (rare) 1804 Bust Dollar (rare, but I was lucky to actually find one)
Edited by Fuzzy317 12/30/2011 05:36 am
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New Member
Australia
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i have been stung with a couple of fakes this year. Thalers mostly. I "enquired" and could buy any coin I wanted in any year with no copy stamp for $2 a piece. I declined.
I have suggested in the past to go print me some 100 Yuan and post a few over. If its good enough for them, they wont mind me doing it back!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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At a recent coin show I purchased a 1856 Flying Eagle cent for $5. It really looked real except for the weight since it was plastic. Sort of expensive for plastic. Fits right in an Album and makes it look full finally.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As the responses, thus far, to this thread demonstrate, there are many reasons for the purchase of copy or replica coins. I myself own two sets of Chinese manufactured US Two Cent Pieces. My interest was to assess the current quality of their manufacture. So far I have written one article on another coin forum with an overview of the copies. A more detailed piece is underway that hopefully can serve as an educational reference for collectors. Interestingly one of the copies is dated 1879, which I believe was meant to be an 1870 dated piece,(typo?)given that the last year of production for that coin in the US was 1873, and then for proofs only.
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New Member
United States
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I am a beginning coin collector with an interest in Biblical coins. I purchased a set of replica coins from *** Edited by Staff - Please Review the rules that you agreed to when you registered. *** and I must say I am delighted with these coins, even though they are all replicas. I would never be able to own an actual item of many of these coins. They are advertised as "museum quality" and I would have to agree with that, except that each coin has the word "REPLICA" stamped into the back side. This set is perfect to share with other Bible students while studying how coins impacted people in Biblical times, and I for one am happy for sets like this to be available.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: I would never be able to own an actual item of many of these coins. They are advertised as "museum quality" and I would have to agree with that, except that each coin has the word "REPLICA" stamped into the back side.
This set is perfect to share with other Bible students while studying how coins impacted people in Biblical times, and I for one am happy for sets like this to be available. I can appreciate the educational point of view but I do question the belief you could never own one of these coins. Albeit a European based Sales site here is a real version (Rather well worn) of one of the replica coins found on that link you posted. http://www.ma-shops.com/loebbers/it...8045&lang=enNoting the idea of sharing with bible students It is my guess it would actually be more effective with a coin that really circulated during a biblical time. I think that is where many of us have a problem with replicas they just don't have that connection with history that the genuine article has. Imagine holding a coin that might have actually passed through the hands of Herod himself ( as one example): http://www.ma-shops.com/boersema/it...1712&lang=en
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Why do I buy them? 1. For educational purposes to help myself and our CCF family learn how to differentiate the fakes: https://goccf.com/t/119357https://goccf.com/t/86970https://goccf.com/t/111806https://goccf.com/t/88816https://goccf.com/t/888142. Hole fillers in the album when my keys are slabbed (and I only slab them so if something happens to me, my wife/kids will know to pay more attention to them b/c I do not like the whole slabbing concept anyway). 3. Fun - when talking Carr's fantasy coins. As an example, its fun to see someone wondering how in the world I got a 1975 Eisenhower dollar! Yes, I felt weird buying form the Chinese factory making the fakes, but I also knew it would be the only way to get an education so I would not be easily fooled. I also know that factory is not making the volume it used to since on the last order (last year sometime), he could not fill the order since he "was not making them anymore." He had quit making Canadian fakes a couple years ago. There probably is someone else still doing them though - although I have not been able to find them.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bible_Coin_Collector, go to a website called http://www.littletoncoins.com and take a poke around. Their items are often overpriced, but maybe two weeks ago I got an offer in my e-mail from Littleton to purchase two "widow's mites" for something like ten or twenty bucks. You'd be surprised at how affordable some ancients are.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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On the discussion of fakes and copies, if you ever want to see some great ones, find a magic store. There is one not far from me and I go there once in a while for odd coins. Many two headed or two tailed ones of all denominations. Even Ike dollars. Hollowed out cents to fit a dime. Magnetic coins to stick to a steel ring or stell copies to stick to a magnetic ring and many, many other odd coins. I used to have a small collection of those coaster sized copies but gave to a kid. Those were great looking.
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