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US Legislation Seeks Steel Cents And Nickels

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Two bills were introduced in the House of Representatives on December 15, 2011 which seek to immediately alter the metallic composition of the one cent and five cent coins. Although the text of the bills is not yet available, statements released by Rep. Steve Stivers who introduced the bills H.R. 3693 and H.R. 3694 indicate that the legislation would require the coins to be made from steel.


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 Posted 12/18/2011  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just eliminate them...both the cent and the nickel and the representative(s) that introduced this oop-a-la.

""Not only will it cost less, but steel is an American resource that we have and can manufacture right here in our backyard"

I wonder if this steel that he is referring to is made in "his" (Rep. Steve Stivers) backyard?
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 Posted 12/18/2011  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaycutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is an interesting subject.Personally I like the Lincoln Cent snd the Jefferson nickel,but I'm a collector.

Ohio's number one source of income:

- Mining industry followed by natural gas.

- Ohio leads all other states inthe production of building sandstone and in the production of lime,made from limestone to produce cement,chemicals,fertilzer and STEEL.

And this would be the answer to why steel pennies and nickels.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mwr1550 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe we should go to wooden nickels?
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Maybe I was a little hasty in my "eliminate" statement...how about make them NIFC like the half dollars and soon-to-be Presidential dollars? Mint the Cent and Nickel for profit for collectors?
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Here's an idea for replacing the cent and nickel. Make a 5 cent coin that has a removable center. Together they would be worth 5 cents, apart the center would be worth 2 cents and the outer ring would be worth 3 cents.
If they could come up with a way to mint them at the same time it would cut down on the costs while still retaining the small coin values.
Just kicking ideas around, what do people think?
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 Posted 12/18/2011  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add satxwd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it will save the tax payer and government money then I'm all for it. Personally, I don't care what modern circulating coins are made of. I collect the old stuff.
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I for one hope the bill passes if only because the elimination of cents and nickels means the end of roll searching.
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Anything the government gets its hands on is due to waste of money....Can anyone name me anything that the Government has run effeciently? The Government could start a paper penny program and it would still cost more than a penny to make.
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It would be better to use a non-magnetic metals since most coin operated machines use magnets to keep foriegn coinage out of circulation (most foriegn coinage that has the same specs as ours is magnetic). So some sort of aluminum composite would do best. It cant be pure aluminum due to problems with x-ray machines. perhaps iron clad with aluminum would be best
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How about just leave it as is? To eliminate the penny would mean total restructure of pricing and tax rates. NOT a smart thing to do.
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Jayman931,

You want an example of something the government has run efficiently? Hmmm... Let me see. No, cant really think of anything good. Does making a big mess count?
Seriously, if it saves money in the long run, let's go for it and change the composition of our change.
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I am not sure that this is even about pork for the steel industry as much as it is a classic misdirection ploy. A plan to "save millions!" while we waste billions on military spending and home security that does nothing to accomplish our goals or protect our fighting men & women. Doing anything with the cent other than eliminating it is a waste of money, even if the material is free, it costs more than a cent to make. The fact that the current material cost is only one half of a cent actually says that there is no need to do anything about the cent at this time anyway. Only the nickel actually needs attention because it is worth more than its face value, which the cent is not. It is not total cost of manufacture that is important. When we were issuing silver and gold coinage during fixed "spot" times, the coins contained their face value of silver and gold and certainly cost something to mint so they always cost more to make than face value but were not worth more as metal. A change to steel is probably not the best way to fix the nickel either, surely there is some way to produce a coin that remains mostly copper but has just enough trace alloy to turn it white while staying under five cents of material value. I see nothing wrong with having coins that contain their face value in metal content, that is after all what we always used to do. The only reason that you don't normally want the content value to exceed face value is to prevent, or at least minimize, the melting of the coins by criminals to profit from the public money supply (something congress seems perfectly happy to allow the banking and finance industries to do). If it was not for that possibility, there is no harm in having a coin that is worth more as metal than its face. People who are hoarding copper cents with the hope of making a killing are delusional at best, a ton of pennies has a face value of about $3000 so to make $100,000 profit when those coins have five cents of copper in them, you need over 16,000 pounds of cents and a law that lets you sell them as scrap. Bottom line for me, there is no need to change anything about the coinage, leave it as it is. Congress should spend precisely zero time on this issue and should tackle the real issues. We will never balance the budget a million dollars at a time, we need to be thinking on the 10 to 100 billion dollar scale. Everything else is just a smoke screen to keep us from seeing that nothing is being done at that level. Does the mint as a whole cost anything to operate, NO, end of discussion.
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Well, not only can I not name anything that government has done efficiently, I can't name anything that private, for profit business has done that way either. I am not sure that having congress and bureaucrats skim the cream off the milk is that much worse than having the board of directors and large stockholders do it.
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Maybe we should go to wooden nickels?


Have you bought any pre cut firewood lately? It can be outrageous!
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Man......for me it makes me happy because I just started to collect pennies.....cant let it die now!
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