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1923 Cent - Your Opinion Of Grade?

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Here is one that CCCS and PCGS don't quite agree on... so, I thought it would be fun to solicit your opinions...

1923-Cent---Your-Opinion-Of-Grade?


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AU-55, Is it still in the holder?
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If that is red I see,I'll go MS-63 CCCS
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I'll say MS62red
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CCCS ms63 red
PCGS genuine
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ms-60 cleaned
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So what does genuine mean?
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MS-60 but what is that green spots?
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The blushed coloring on the obverse gives it away.The coin has been cleaned
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Note that this coin was photographed inside a PCGS holder. Some of those 'out-of-focus smudges' are actually on the holder itself. Note: the coin was not cleaned, and PCGS did grade it. I'll wait for a few more guesses...
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CCCS ms62
PCGS ms65
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I don't get any coins pro graded although have seen many I would not agree with.
My grade is MS 62
CCCS MS 61
PCGS MS 63
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PCGS 63 RB
CCCS 61 R

Guess I should I add I think it's a 61/3 with a better reverse but the green flashes are something that would scare me off.
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Did they rate it AU grade?
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This is one of those issues where the lighting is everything, for coin photography. In case, too much light. The "green spots" you see are actually just little toning spots (they are inert, and definitely not carbon or verdigris). This is one of the nicest 1923 cents I have seen, when the coin is in hand. The reverse is almost full red, which is almost impossible to find in George V cents from 1922-1927. Louis (CCCS) said it was a 'pretty darn nice coin'.

CCCS graded this coin MS-64 Red
PCGS graded this coin MS-63 Red-Brown

Now, comes the hard question. A quick glance at Canadian Coin News Trends shows a remarkable (and expensive) price difference for a MS-63 RB and MS-64 Red... yet, I chose the PCGS TPG slab.

What would you do in this case? (I already have an answer as to why it is in a PCGS holder, and why the holder is probably irrelevant for a coin like this, but it is interesting to hear the opinions of others (collectors and dealers alike)).
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