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 Posted 12/22/2011  12:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mariospaghetti to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Well I went in last week to inquire about the you pick Morgans and Silver eagles. They wanted $35+ for the junk morgans and $33+ for the silver eagles, so I walked out with a zero for a purchase. So I decided to stop back in this time with cash in hand. I ask again what the prices are at Since silver was at $29.01 so his response what the eagles are now at $37+, I asked why so high. He told me that the main owner paid more than that for them. I thought in my head (oh well for him) I told them I could get them elsewhere for less and walked out with a zero purchase again.

So does anyone else have this happening to them? Or do you have a great place you would share with me to buy some.

I did check out Gainsville and the price was good but shipping was high like $11.25 for 2 coins. Ouch... Thats what I am currently in the market for at this time.
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 Posted 12/22/2011  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems that the $37 price is right in line with the gainsville price plus shipping. I would take the coins in hand for cash anyday over paying with a cc and waiting for them to be shipped...IMO
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 Posted 12/22/2011  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I'm lucky my local dealer has ASE for $1.50 over spot. Junk silver is 3percent over spot. I have heard this before though especially when silver has just dropped a lot
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 Posted 12/22/2011  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Clint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that's pretty high. My local junk bin was $27 a month ago, and now they're $25. Three months ago they were $33. ASE's are now about $35, and 3 months ago were $42. However I don't know your market. I'll bet NYC would be higher than Phoenix, as would a tiny town with one shop.

ETA: I don't see why junk dollars would go for more than ASEs...
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Mario... I don't think that your experience is all that unusual. If a buyer can create a good working relationship with a vendor, it often goes a long ways towards getting better deals. A vendor will often cut a better deal for a steady customer than they will for just anyone who comes in off the street for a 1 time purchase. They want your repeat business and if they are helpful and work well for you, give it to them; they have earned it. I'm thinking that the smaller the shop and the slower their turn-over, the more susceptible they will be to pricing issues. Those with better sales volume will be turning their inventory over quickly enough that the difference between their buying and selling prices is more steady. If they buy silver and hold it for weeks or even months, then they are susceptible to pricing problems in the volatile silver market. No one, whether vendor or buyer, wants to sell at less than they paid if they can avoid it.
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 Posted 12/22/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaycutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That price is high.If you allow them to take advantage they will.You made the right decision walking away.The fact he purchased at a higher and higher volume then what he could move is his problem.
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 Posted 12/22/2011  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quote: "Mario... I don't think that your experience is all that unusual. If a buyer can create a good working relationship with a vendor, it often goes a long ways towards getting better deals."

I would have to agree 100%! There is a place in my town that calls themselves a "PM Exchange!" but they add $5.75 or $6(over spot), to every ASE. I drive about 40 mins North to a shop I have delt with for years and he has New ASE's for $5 over, 2010 and mixed dates for $3.50 over, and you can find two or three in the silver rounds tray for $2 over most days.
I also make sure that everytime I go in I tell them that I drive up to deal w/them and not my local shop! It helps!
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 Posted 12/22/2011  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
People often forget you have a choice when buying. You can either buy or not buy. I find dealers prices can vary by large amounts. In addition so can their buy prices.

I feel it is up to the buyer to make the choices of what they are willing to pay. To complain about a seller is a little cheap. Think of it this way they offer a product at a price they feel they need. They do not hold a gun over your head. You can either buy or polity pass.

It is just like anything else you need to look/shop around to find the value that matches what you want to pay.

I like a local dealer and sometimes I buy from him. However when prices are really in flux he carries very little bullion because he tells me his margins are to slim to take the risk. I understand his position and we leave it at that when I cam not willing to pay his higher premiums. That doesn't make him a bad guy or a poor dealer.
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 Posted 12/23/2011  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffaloBonehead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why is complaining about a seller cheap? The OP didn't like the price and walked out because he felt the prices were too high and could get them for less elsewhere. Sure the dealers have a right to make a living, but customers are sensitive to price. It isn't wrong or cheap to do not enter into a transaction and complain about the price.
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 Posted 12/23/2011  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjkingston to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My local shops usually beat the web. They're pretty good about sticking with a percent over spot.
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 Posted 12/23/2011  04:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mario-

Try buying from your bros here on ccf.

You'll get a better price from a seller, dealer or collector, by taking what he wants to move. If you want to do the picking, it will cost more.
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 Posted 12/23/2011  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newmismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm beginning to wonder if we're witnessing a decoupling of the physical market from the virtual, or digital market. Remember: This year's peaks in silver and gold came to an end when margin requirements were raised on futures traders--the drop from the top was not caused by any fundamental change in underlying conditions. If two distinct markets were to emerge at a time when prices were declining, those dealing in the physical stuff could be expected to resist the pressure to adjust their asking prices downward simply to track the spot price. Consider that it's customary for dealers in bullion coins to charge a premium above spot on sales that is significantly farther away from spot than the price they'll offer for purchases. At some point, couldn't the "premium" move so far away from the spot price that all players would have to acknowledge that it's not a premium at all--that there are now two distinct markets, the physical and the virtual?
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 Posted 12/23/2011  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guess that could but then it would kind of be saying it 2 different things

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 Posted 12/23/2011  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffaloBonehead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The decoupling argument is usually made by people who don't want to sell cheaper than what they purchased for. My dealer is currently selling at $45/ounce because he doesn't want the loss. I personally would rather book the loss and reinvest the money in something that would turn over again, but that's just what I would do if I owned that business.

As for my personal stash... I'm not selling.
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 Posted 12/23/2011  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is quite high a price. Either most of his supply was bought at the very top or just trying to make a lot. I can't imagine he is selling much. Does he sell rare coins as well?
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 Posted 12/23/2011  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is pressure in the silver market these days that suggests that the manipulated paper prices are diverging from the actual physical metal price. We've seen this before from time to time. Usually it takes the form of a metal's paper price being down but no metal is available for sale because people are holding it until the price recovers.

One aspect of this is that the CME / COMEX has done an excellent job of making itself completely irrelevant. The out and out theft of REGISTERED serial numbered gold and silver bars from MF Global customers' allocated accounts is absolutely outrageous and it is causing a lot of investors to move away from paper gold and silver. While we are early in this process, it may well get to the point where the futures market in PMs ceases to exist because no one will be willing to take the increasing level of risk that their investment may be stolen.

There are many aspects of the investing arena where TRUST is the primary ingredient. If that trust is lost, then so is that market. For example: The big mutual funds know this and so no customer has ever lost money in a mutual fund company's money market account. A few MM funds have "broken the buck" (become worth less than $1 per share) but the funds' management immediately transferred money from the company accounts into the MM funds to maintain the $1 share price. They knew that if they did not, their customers would grab what was left in their accounts and run. MFG is now dead but the CME / COMEX are still here... for now.

If the government really wants to find the registered gold and silver bars that MF Global clients "lost", perhaps they should check out the secure storage vaults used by JP Morgan and HSBC? Just a thought.

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