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The listing itself, in my opinion, isn't the problem.
Just because he was selling it as a 'magic coin' doesn't mean that the buyer wouldn't turn around and sell it to someone as a legit coin. All fake coins, unless noted on the coin as fake, should be destroyed to protect the hobby and other collectors down the road.
I believe more pats on the back are in order.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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The logic used here appears to me as "they should stop selling steak knives, because the buyer might use one to stab somebody". I don't see stopping a legitimate sale on the grounds that it might be used in some illegal fashion.
Wanna see how fast you can make a soft drink can into a pipe for illegal substances?
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Australia
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 smokerideron. The seller wasn't trying to dupe anyone It was clearly listed as a replica. I agree we should shoot down all the dodgey and dishonest sellers, There are heaps of those on ebay. So why pick on this poor bugger  |
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You know what, feeling sympathetic toward his argument, I just bought one. I asked what the weight was like and he said it was close to the real thing. I figured it'd make a great pocket piece without worrying about losing a real and valuable coin. I like the Morgan design and I also like something to carry with me every day.
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Quote:Good work? He was selling a magic coin AS a magic coin. What good work is there getting all bent about an honest transaction? The listing stated what the item was in a clear manner. He did NOT put it up as a collector coin. I am qite sure the only reason the listing was pulled was because of the complaints, not because ebay felt he was trying to sell this coin as a real Morgan. Oh, and NO, because he clearly stated that it was a replica, it was NOT illegal and NOT the same as buying a pair of rip offs being sold as the real thing. Nor was it being sold in a 2x2 as a coin. So please stop patting yourselves on the back because there was nothing here to start with. You can spin the "magic" angle all you want, doesn't change the fact that it's a counterfeit. By your severely twisted logic, the Chinese can take all their counterfeits and sell them in the paperweight category as paperweights and its all legit now. I can see the title now.... " Morgan dollar Paperweight for Coin Collectors" They're not selling them as a collector coin right? Counterfeit Coin >> Magicians prop Counterfeit Coin >> Paperweight No Difference.Edited by scubu
12/28/2011 09:46 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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scubu, THAT is twisted logic. I am actually agreeing with Fred here. Because someone can use it in a way other than intended does not make the sale wrong. I have a bottle of Vicodin sitting right here that I got because of my broken leg. I could turn right around and sell it. Does that make the original sale of it to me wrong? Nope. Simple fact is he is selling it as a legitimate magic coin, period. Your insane insistance that the market is going to be flooded by counterfeits because someone sells a Magicians coin that looks like a Morgan is just that, insane. And if they were being sold as paperweights and clearly labeled as such, then YES it is fine. The issue is something being sold as something it isn't. |
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And if they were being sold as paperweights and clearly labeled as such, then YES it is fine. Wow. I mean really.... Wow. I can't believe you actually typed those words. This may indeed be the new most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum. OK, show of hands people. How many of you actually would be perfectly OK with the Chinese counterfeits coins if they packaged them and sold them as paperweights? |
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Quote:Your insane insistance that the market is going to be flooded by counterfeits because someone sells a Magicians coin that looks like a Morgan is just that, insane. From what I could tell in the picture, this guy wasn't selling a " Magician's coin". He was selling one of the fake steel Morgans that are already flooding the American coin marketplace. The seller, in that sense, is part of the problem. Quote:
And if they were being sold as paperweights and clearly labeled as such, then YES it is fine. The issue is something being sold as something it isn't. The Hobby Protection Act offers no exemptions for Magician's coins. If it's a fake coin and not stamped "COPY", it's illegal to sell it. And ebay's rules are likewise inflexible: replica coins must be sold in the R&R section, and must be stamped in a HPA-compliant way. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Forum Dad
United States
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Because someone can use it in a way other than intended does not make the sale wrong. There's a problem with this line of thinking. The legality has nothing to do with the use of the item, it is the item itself. It's a counterfeit coin, and therefore illegal, regardless of the actual, intended, implied, or packaged use. There's absolutely no reason copy can't be stamped on these. So why isn't it? |
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Rest in Peace
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Got to say I'm with scubu here. It's a fake Morgan, and your average newbie is going to think it is real. The chinese fakes are being touted on ebay as "replicas" but are shipped without being stamped "copy", then resold by buyers here as genuine. This is the same. Some of these WILL be resold at flea markets or antique stores as real, because they are NOT marked as copy, and are close enough to fool many people. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Philosophically I would normally agree with BFredd. However, if someone used a steak knife in a crime they could/would be arrested.
When it comes to these fake dollars there really is no way to hold the makers accountable (they are in a foreign country)so I don't think they should be sold in any fashion.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I stand by what I said. If you dont like it, oh well. Not being sold as a Morgan, not a problem. If it is being sold as a real Morgan, then there is an issue. Sorry you are not capable of making that seperation.
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Forum Dad
United States
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This may sound silly but let me ask you this... What if I put an ounce of a prescription drug up for sale on ebay as a paperweight? Sure, the buyer can use the ounce of the prescription drug as a paperweight and never use it for anything but a paperweight or sell it for any other purpose but a paperweight. Does that make me selling the prescription drug any less illegal? It's no different than a counterfeit coin. No matter what it's advertised as, magicians prop or paperweight, it's still illegal to sell a counterfeit coin, which is what it is. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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You sell something as a not-real Morgan, admit it looks just like a Morgan, weighs very close to the same as a Morgan and is NOT marked as a copy, you have got to realize that somewhere down the line some one is going to think it IS a real Morgan. You may tell yourself that you aren't being unethical, because you tell people it's not real, but you know someone sometime is going to think it is and get messed up.
But that is all irrelevant, since the HPA says if it looks like a morgan, unless it is 3" or more in diameter, it must be stamped "copy", regardless of what it is sold as.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hey smoke, chill out. I'm certain everyone here can make the seperation you are refering to. However, we obviously don't agree.
Bobby, you hit the nail on the head. That is exactly where I'm coming from on this issue. If anyone can explain to me any legitimate usage for this piece (and by that I'm mean magic wise and how it could be feasibly used), and why it would hurt to have 'copy' stamped on it, than I'll listen.
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